As you can see, Revelation 11:15 is cited in both and in the 02 WT it says it was fulfilled in 1914 but in the 51 WT it says it was fulfilled in 1918. Which of the two am I to believe?
Easy... BOTH, at the same exact time.
FedUpJW
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Manipulative language
by Hendrixgrip insomeone recently included the phrase from a talk, “cherished errors”, which made me think about something i wanted to get off my chest.
the societies use of manipulative language has been discussed on this site many time and i hope this adds to the ammunition to fight back against them.
periodically , i’ll run into someone and they’ll say “hendrixgrip, why don’t you come to the meetings anymore.” i’ll give them some not too specific reason like, “i’m struggling with the overlapping doctrine”.
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Should calling someone 'Nazi' be made illegal?
by LoveUniHateExams ina rabble-rouser called james goddard and a crowd of pro-brexit people called anna soubry 'nazi' recently.. the same crowd also called owen jones a few names.. i don't know these people but they seem to be unsavory people - they were certainly not behaving themselves.. the met police are looking into the matter, to see if the crowd did anything illegal.
a journalist asked the police officer if calling someone 'nazi' is illegal.
the officer said 'that's what we're looking into'.. first, this crowd behaved badly, no question.. what i find fascinating, though, is the speed of response from authorities.. calling people fascist or nazi has been going on for decades.
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FedUpJW
Basically, if you resort to name calling, you're a punk ass bitch.
I enjoy a good sarcastic comment.
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You Don't Have to Tell the Elders Anything!
by minimus inif you were ever brought before a judicial committee, and were about to be interrogated by the elders, just remember...you owe them nothing.
they are mere men and no better than you!
even if it wasn’t a judicial interrogation , you should never feel obligated to them.
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...ask you to confess as a test of repentance.
My personal experience in the past was that confessing got one DF'd for the "sin", while refusing to confess got one DF'd for not "repenting". Damned if you do, damned if you don't!
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If My Dad Were To See The Watchtower Org Now
by pale.emperor inas we all know, this org has metamorphosized from one ugly creature to another continuously since it's inception.
but more so it seems in the last 30 years.. i got to thinking what my dad would think if he were to be brought to life for 5 mins to see the way things are now.
how would he even react?.
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FedUpJW
Before she died two years ago my mother said if JW's in the forties had been what they were now (2016-2017) she would NEVER have become one. My father who only recently passed, after an entire adult life spent in positions from old time congregation servant up to the upper echelons of district oversight, said shortly before he died, "I have quit giving any money to the WT. They do not practice what they preach anymore. The new breed are hypocrites with their electronic gadgets, TVs in the kingdom hall and always begging for money!"
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Gofundme account opened for funeral costs
by Amelia Ashton insimon, i hope this is ok to post here.. for those who dont know yesterday a terrible car accident took the life of a lovely young woman leah ryan.
she was the daughter of 2 members here who go by the names of sleeping beauty and her husband hairy he goat.. leah"s sister has started an account to help fund funeral costs.
for any wishing to donate here is the link.. https://www.gofundme.com/for-leah-my-beautiful-sisters-funeral?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_co_shareflow_m&fbclid=iwar1z971joytaqnsy0zyq1_admdyxzqjpgrlf7l2-teq1nalnnqc6wcsn3pq.
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they can afford a proper funeral for Leah.
Okay...let the down votes and bashing begin here too. What exactly is a "proper" funeral? What exactly is wrong with a simple immediate cremation, and no fancy coffin, or a fancy headstone and grave?
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Another silly Bible story...brought to you by the ''old and tired Moses''
by RULES & REGULATIONS inexodus 17:8-16 new international version (niv)the amalekites defeated8 the amalekites came and attacked the israelites at rephidim.
9 moses said to joshua, “choose some of our men and go out to fight the amalekites.
tomorrow i will stand on top of the hill with the staff of god in my hands.”10 so joshua fought the amalekites as moses had ordered, and moses, aaron and hur went to the top of the hill.
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Brother to elder: have you ever read the old Testament?
BITD when I still went door knocking I mentioned to the group that I was reading a real good book. I said it was a "bit" violent, but if you just skimmed over the be-headings, stabbings, disembowelment, rapes, incest, homosexual sex, infanticide by live burning, adultery and murder then the rest wasn't too bad. The counsel started immediately. The elder and MS in the group were apoplectic about the un-scriptural literature I was reading. After several minutes of counsel they asked if I had anything to say? I said I would quit reading the Bible at their suggestion!
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Enlighten me If you can
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara inconfusing standards or hodge podge?.
what is this about beards i never got the hang of from day one?
are beards ok or not?.
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Are beards ok or not?
I am going to put on the WT cap and answer this question like they would. Yes they are okay, unless they aren't.
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Is A Major Restructuring At Warwick In The Works Due To Years Of Governing Body Ignorance & Delusion?
by Brokeback Watchtower inthe possible financial ruin to which faithful & discreet slave/governing body has brought wt corporation, due to all the underhanded/illegal/thoughtless policies as g.o.d(guardians of doctrine) seems to be a very real possibility, as court cases mount against the wt and it's different corporations.. montana just gave a very clear $$$$30million+ shout out to wt, about it's fucked up policies, which lay at the feet of those in charge.
it seems that some type of no confidence should be expressed and a complete over haul should be happening.
they can not keep this information secret any more and they are totally delusional ass holes if they think they can talk their way out of this.. therefore i think we shall see some desperate measures to keep this fraudulent organization financially stable and a removal from power those responsible for the mess..
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FedUpJW
They can not keep this information secret any more.
They will try, and when it does keep coming out they will continue to brand it Satanic and apostate propaganda that all "good" JDub's will avoid while plugging their ears to the real facts.
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Another silly Bible story...brought to you by the ''old and tired Moses''
by RULES & REGULATIONS inexodus 17:8-16 new international version (niv)the amalekites defeated8 the amalekites came and attacked the israelites at rephidim.
9 moses said to joshua, “choose some of our men and go out to fight the amalekites.
tomorrow i will stand on top of the hill with the staff of god in my hands.”10 so joshua fought the amalekites as moses had ordered, and moses, aaron and hur went to the top of the hill.
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FedUpJW
The way I have heard this explained is that it shows how God uses imperfect men to do his will, and how important the "older men" are and how we MUST obey and support them [even if the directions they give do not seem practical].
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Joke Sharing Thread
by Vanderhoven7 ingot a good joke or two?
why not share them.
here is a fun one.. retirement can be fun.
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FedUpJW
A blind man goes into a ritzy department store that is obviously fancier than his station in life. He stops in the first aisle and grabs his seeing eye dog by the tail and swings him around in circles above his head then puts the dog down and continues walking through the store. After repeating the same thing with his dog several more times a store clerk goes up to the blind man and haughtily asks, "What are you doing sir?" The blind man replies, "Just looking around."