i thought about this when i read the expression in another thread, "someone was stumbled", they would never tell you who the person was, and simply used it to control you, or it got worse, some times it was "you might stumble someone" .. who were these stumbling loons of which they spoke ?
not only was it a control mechanism, it encouraged you to not be your real self, ever.. i liked the response of one of my jw relatives to this, where they expected him to change the person he was, he said "these people accusing me are not perfect are they ?
no, well then, they cannot expect perfection from me".
Of course, as Punkofnice pointed out, it's the spiritually weak, not the spiritually strong, people who get stumbled.
And those same so-called "spiritually weak" pissants who use the, "You're stumbling me" club as their method of control will be whining that "You must humbly forgive me for whatever I do that might bother you, and wait on Jehovah" as a get out of jail free card to do whatever the Hell they wish!
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08:20 27.1.kristoffer solberg.
jehovah's witnesses denied state aid.
Is he just too important to actually put his signature to this . . .?
Although spending most of his adult life as a JW my father also was very high up the ladder of success in an international corporation with over 10,000 active employees and over 5 billion in revenue, third only to the CEO of the company. He said many times that the more important one THOUGHT themselves to be the more illegible their signature would be. I asked him what about the "it makes it easier to combat fraud", etc. statements. His response, "They are lying. They are either just too self-important, or just plain lazy to write legibly." He never had anyone attempt fraud with his very legible signature either in his business life, or personal life.
we have several non-jdub friends who are busy stockpiling foods and goods for the impending societal collapse.
some are happy enough to be called preppers, others are not, but say that looking at the deteriorating condition of the world that it's only a matter of time before the shtf and they want to be prepared to protect themselves and their families when it happens.. contrast that to the jdubs who are actively telling people that the end of the world is coming, but aren't preparing in a practical way because they have been brainwashed by a "jehovah has always protected his servants" mindset from the gb at hq (who laughingly have no reason to be concerned because they're hoping for a quick getaway up to heaven when the jw 'end of the world' comes!).
the most the average jdub has is a go-bag rucksack in case they have to quickly leave their house in the event of a natural disaster like a flood or a wildfire.. isn't it better to be safe than sorry?
they also have plans in place on a group level for the group overseers to check on everyone in their group and see who needs help
Except that two and a half year of plandemic lock-down has show beyond doubt that in practice they do not, and WILL NOT! These self-important group over-sneers have for the most part ignored the needs of their assigned group members from what my sources tell me. If they cannot be "faithful in what is least" how the Hell will they be " faithful also in much?"
When the SHTF any JW with an I.Q. larger than their shoe size had better be ready and able to fend for themselves or be willing to accept the consequences of foolishly trusting men to take care of them.
Where is the scripture about using pencil?
I have it on good authority that it was found during TOMO III last physical by his proctologist.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
I wouldn't even try. It is a waste of time engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
february 2023 study watchtower: .
p. 16, par.
5 - ”when we base our discussions on material published by jehovah’s organization, (not the bible!
". . .the most reliable governmental . . .sources available.”
I think I remember the WT pounding on about the devil being the ruler of all governments, and also being the "Father of The Lie".
Wouldn't it follow that the ruler of governments who is known for being nothing if not a liar would have governmental sources that lie, just like he does? The most reliable sources are still unreliable. Sounds a lot like the blind leading the blind to me.
there are good reasons to belief that paul wrote hebrews.
i am convinced he wrote it.
is there any any convincing evidence or argument that can validate the belief?.
I think some guy named He-brews who was a beer maker by trade wrote it.
as 1975 was approaching, many witnesses sold their property.
do you know about specific cases that are willing to share their experience of doing so?.
I also heard the remark about ‘putting too much stock in 1975’ over the years by some older JWs.
My parents were ones who even though what may have been termed "spiritually strong" were always cautioning the 75'ers to not place stock in 1975. They kept telling them that "no one knows the day or hour." They taught me to work hard, save money, and invest wisely for the future. They were very generous to those that had true need, but also not afraid to tell the users and professional lazy to "pound sand". They had no money to give to those that counted on 1975 to get them out of debt. The only thing they had for the disappointed 75'ers was a blunt, "We told you so!"
as 1975 was approaching, many witnesses sold their property.
do you know about specific cases that are willing to share their experience of doing so?.
Do you know about specific cases that are willing to share their experience of doing so?
I do not know of many who sold things to prove how "spiritual" they were. I do know personally of quite a number on the other side of the coin that went wild spending money like there was no tomorrow and accumulated crushing debt, with low or no income, because the end was going to come in 1975 and they would not have to pay it back. New cars, new homes, fancy jewelry and clothes, you name it they bought it. Then when 1975 came and went, and the debts came due they had no income to pay it, no hopes a decent job to provide income to pay the debt because they also foolishly bought into the "You don't need and education" B.S. And now they are in their seventies or older and still grubbing out a meager living with failing health and no chance of ever having anything different.
I have ZERO pity for them!
have the rules changed as far as disfellowshipping inactive ones when it's clear they are engaged in "wrongdoing?".
i have a cousin in seattle who was disfellowshipped about 3 years ago or so and then went through the process of being reinstated (took only 6 months) and then proceeded to fade and do nothing regarding the jw's .
fast forward to today and now she's had a baby out of wedlock and the uber jw elder father and mother are all on board somehow.
So I guess if you have an elder dad and Bethelite siblings you get a free pass?
Most certainly! My father one time told me, "If anyone tells you that favoritism, or family nepotism does not come into play for decisions made in the congregation you can bet they are either ignorantly naive, or they are lying!"
No wonder other brothers hated him.
