Posts by Steel

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Who is Gog/Magog?

by Cold Steel in

ezekiel spends two chapters (38-39) describing a war that either will never take place, or which has yet to take place.

according to the prophecy, the warlord gog, of magog, will 1) sweep down on israel, covering the land like a cloud.

this will happen in 2) the latter years when israel will 3) be a people “gathered out of many nations” and peoples.

Steel

Jws use to believe everything was symbolic of satans attacking the wts and the annoited remnant in the end times.

They recently had new light that israel might actually mean israel so there is a huge push to convert all the jews in Israel to good little dubs.

The whole new theology borrows quite heavy from evangelical made in america Christianity where everything good or bad that happens to america is a product of our support of the jewish state.

Or the fact jw ends times chronology isnt happening. I just know those dipsticks in brooklynn are watching the 700 club looking for ideas.

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Jesus ransom or the sanctification of God's name the most important?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

some time ago, during the mid-week meeting, the sanctification of god’s name was being discussed (chapter 4 in ‘god’s kingdom rules’).

in paragraph nine we read that in the early period the jw’s viewed jesus ransom sacrifice as the most important teaching of the bible.

then they said they gave overbalanced importance to jesus, and nowadays, they say the sanctification of god’s name is the most important thing in the bible.. .

In the old testament one of the titles of god was simply known as "the name". When a person says protected the name of god or calling apon the name of god its really more the language of localization. Essentially calling apon the power of god.

There is a really great example of this in the book of exodus where an angel with the name of god within him leads the jews out of Egypt.

God's end plan for humanity is for humans to reconciled to him though a personal relationship with jesus christ. Essentially the old testament being which carried his name within him.

Essentially that is reason why adding three vowels to four constants isnt that big a deal.

Jws have basically reduced christianity to harry potter by saying the magic word jehovah.

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Why do JW's never pray for the Spirit of Jesus?

by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu in

i am new on this forum.

i have been associating with the jw's for three years, and was about to be baptised soon (next month).

however, i discovered on time that it is not right to do.

Steel

Jws essentially just believe the new testament was just written for the annoited which can only later be understood by the magical seven.

Blah blah blah

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"Intelligent" Witnesses

by megaboy in

after reading some experiences, i have found that this organization has had quite a big change in its operations within the last decade.

back when i was talking to the ocassional witnesses at a local hotspot i remember some of them having respectable intelligence.

what i want to know though is those who have been aquainted with who they felt were more educated and independent in thinking, how they handled the rapid changes.

Steel

I got into a debate one time with a Christian guy about jesus as god in the flesh. He didnt waste his time with the typical proof texts and such because most of that has been changed in new world translation. He showed me how the new testament referances the old testament and what the authors were talking about. Especially the direct references to word of the lord in the old testament. It was pretty straight foward. I even doubled checked it against secular sources like Bart Erham and it was pretty much the same.

Now you can question the legitimacy of the bible but you really question the authors intent.

Then i tried to pin down my beliefs as a witness (unbaptised). I then realized that i didn't have any. I could'nt pin down any tenets of my faith. All i did was go door to door with a briefcase full of books playing silly bugger full of ridiculous circular nonsense that i didnt understand.

Then i realized no on understood it. Doctors, engineers, lawyers. We are all the same.

It scares me.

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Social gathering on December 25th

by StarTrekAngel in

i remember clearly the many times that in the past they have insisted on not showing their faces out in the street on this day.

i am exaggerating.

but i mean they've always insisted on being out and about very early on christmas day... preaching.. most elders in my congregation believed this was the best time to preach since most people were celebrating a religious holiday.

Steel

I always thought holiday witnesses was kind of a taboo thing to do. At least it is here.

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Watchtower April, 2017 Overview

by Listener in

i'll start with the first study article.. this study article deals with vows made to jehovah.

three main vows are discussed.. 1) your dedication to jehovah.

we are told that it is not possible to claim that our baptism was not valid .

Steel

I think us ubm have always known we don't have a snowballs chance in hell with the wts upholding the sanctity of our unions.

No real suprise here.

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Watchtower April, 2017 Overview

by Listener in

i'll start with the first study article.. this study article deals with vows made to jehovah.

three main vows are discussed.. 1) your dedication to jehovah.

we are told that it is not possible to claim that our baptism was not valid .

Steel

Good god

Can't people tell the difference between a bible study and a cult indoctrination session. Its literally like they have stopped trying to pretend they are a religion or Christianity.

I think or at least hope the constant threatening of the rank and file will do more to wake people. Maybe not in this generation but the next one. I currently live next door to an elder in which 3 out of his 4 children didnt become dubs.

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Your feelings for the former travelling overseers

by Hecce in

during our wt life we met a good number of friends involved in the circuit and district work.

i am sure that we share the same experience and that we remember fondly some that we caring, loving and generally interested in the brothers.

at the same time we might remember others that were arrogant, selfish, abusive and oppressive.

Steel

Something that has always bugged me about Wts leadership is I have never met one that really had that road to Damascus background. The worldly person who left a life of wealth and pleasure to become of jehovah witnesses.

All the overseers i have ever met all had a high school or lower education, all were born ins and have been pioneers since leaving school. Literally some of the least impressive people on the planet.

Of course there was the odd war vet but that was more the product of PTSD mixed with a narastic personally.

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Your feelings for the former travelling overseers

by Hecce in

during our wt life we met a good number of friends involved in the circuit and district work.

i am sure that we share the same experience and that we remember fondly some that we caring, loving and generally interested in the brothers.

at the same time we might remember others that were arrogant, selfish, abusive and oppressive.

Steel

All the ones I have known are so stupid I doubt if they could change a tire or write a check.

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pre 1981 Disassociation rules.

by Aussie Oz in

can anybody point me to actual written society instruction pre 1981, regarding not shunning da ones?.

i know they included shunning as of the wt sept 15 1981, but was before that time purely an unwritten practice or what?.

oz.

Steel

Bump

When I was studying with my Uber elder he would site the example of jehovah witnesses in the concentration camps in ww2 and all they would have to do was sign a letter and they were free to leave.

Seems odd that a religion of such devoted faith would basically have to blackmail it's members into not quitting today.

How many people walked after 1975 and seems odd just a few years later they would close the backdoor.