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  Are badness, disobedience, and rebellion part of the "perfect" human nature?

  by psyco in

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  when humankind will be perfect again after 1,000 years living in a paradise without being influenced by satan and demons, since "the number of these is as the sand of the sea" (revelation 20:8), a huge amount of "perfect" people, like adam and eve, will be bad, disobedient, and rebel being misled by satan once again.. does this mean that after living today surrounded by bad, disobedient, and rebel imperfect people, you will still live surrounded by bad, disobedient and rebel "perfect" people in a paradise?.

  does this mean that badness, disobedience, and rebellion are part of the "perfect" human nature considering the big amount of people involved ("as the sand of the sea")?.

  is it possible that we were originally created with such a strong desire and tendency to badness, disobedience, and rebellion as a result of a wise, loving, and perfect project?.

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  And also:

  If we all know (God, angels, and humans) that there will be this other test and even its result (Revelation 20:8) since it is already written in the Bible, all this time left to imperfect humankind is to demonstrate what to who?
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  Are badness, disobedience, and rebellion part of the "perfect" human nature?

  by psyco in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when humankind will be perfect again after 1,000 years living in a paradise without being influenced by satan and demons, since "the number of these is as the sand of the sea" (revelation 20:8), a huge amount of "perfect" people, like adam and eve, will be bad, disobedient, and rebel being misled by satan once again.. does this mean that after living today surrounded by bad, disobedient, and rebel imperfect people, you will still live surrounded by bad, disobedient and rebel "perfect" people in a paradise?.

  does this mean that badness, disobedience, and rebellion are part of the "perfect" human nature considering the big amount of people involved ("as the sand of the sea")?.

  is it possible that we were originally created with such a strong desire and tendency to badness, disobedience, and rebellion as a result of a wise, loving, and perfect project?.

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  psyco

  When humankind will be perfect again after 1,000 years living in a paradise without being influenced by Satan and demons, since "The number of these is as the sand of the sea" (Revelation 20:8), a huge amount of "perfect" people, like Adam and Eve, will be bad, disobedient, and rebel being misled by Satan once again.

  Does this mean that after living today surrounded by bad, disobedient, and rebel imperfect people, you will still live surrounded by bad, disobedient and rebel "perfect" people in a paradise?

  Does this mean that badness, disobedience, and rebellion are part of the "perfect" human nature considering the big amount of people involved ("as the sand of the sea")?

  Is it possible that we were originally created with such a strong desire and tendency to badness, disobedience, and rebellion as a result of a wise, loving, and perfect project?
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  Have you ever thought about this statistic?

  by psyco in

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  forgetting for a moment the past, let us imagine that now we are about 8,000,000,000 people in the world and jws are about 8,000,000.8,000,000 / 8,000,000,000 = 0.1%.this means that satan can mislead 99.9% (100 - 0.1) of the people in the world.after 1,000 years, when humankind will be perfect again, since "the number of these is as the sand of the sea" (revelation 20:8), once again a huge amount of perfect people will get misled by satan.if the reason for this big number was because of the imperfection, that means adam and eve's fault, not so many "perfect" people should get misled by satan in the future paradise.so, could you think that 99.9% of the perfect angels are demons misled by satan?

  if not, why is satan able or allowed to mislead so many more (imperfect and) perfect humans than angels?another question is: if god "does not desire anyone to be destroyed" (2 peter 3:9), why does he allow satan to be able to mislead 99.9% of people since he knows in advance that "many, i tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able" (luke 13:24), and "the number of these is as the sand of the sea" (revelation 20:8), and "go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it" (matthew 7:13, 14)?

  should not it be the other way around as a logical statistic?

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  Forgetting for a moment the past, let us imagine that now we are about 8,000,000,000 people in the world and JWs are about 8,000,000.
  8,000,000 / 8,000,000,000 = 0.1%.
  This means that Satan can mislead 99.9% (100 - 0.1) of the people in the world.
  After 1,000 years, when humankind will be perfect again, since "The number of these is as the sand of the sea" (Revelation 20:8), once again a huge amount of perfect people will get misled by Satan.
  If the reason for this big number was because of the imperfection, that means Adam and Eve's fault, not so many "perfect" people should get misled by Satan in the future paradise.
  So, could you think that 99.9% of the perfect angels are demons misled by Satan? If not, why is Satan able or allowed to mislead so many more (imperfect and) perfect humans than angels?
  Another question is: if God "does not desire anyone to be destroyed" (2 Peter 3:9), why does He allow Satan to be able to mislead 99.9% of people since He knows in advance that "many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able" (Luke 13:24), and "The number of these is as the sand of the sea" (Revelation 20:8), and "Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it" (Matthew 7:13, 14)? Should not it be the other way around as a logical statistic?
  
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  PIMO elder

  by Reservations in

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  i’m reservations, pimo elder.

  i’m in no position to leave the organisation, maybe some people will see that as weak or whatever, but we have to all go down our own path in life.. i would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this?

  any ideas?.

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  I have never been an elder and I think you cannot help others to wake up (especially without risking a lot in your position), but you could delay their baptism so that to have at least the opportunity to be awaken at that age.

  As a PIMO parent, with a PIMI mate, this is what I biblically think, and it is nothing that you could label as "apostate" and as a PIMO elder you could do something similar as well.

  My child (and children in general) should get baptized only:

  1) When it he will be 30 years old (or, at least 18). Jesus set the example in prayers etc., so he set the example also for baptism: not before he was 30. He was perfect, he was the God's son, and he knew the salvation of all humankind depended on him, so he was the best example of a person who should have been baptized as soon as possible with a sense of urgency and he did not do before he was 30.

  In the NT accounts you can always read about men and women getting baptized, but never boys, girls, or kids...

  You could say that a 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16... years old person is a man or a woman, but when you are at that age you are not mature enough to choose a mate for all your life: how could you be mature enough to choose the real God and His religion forever?

  They could say: but the end is very close! Yes, but if it should come tomorrow, it would still be plenty of 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... years old JW's children not baptized: why not baptizing them as well, then?

  2) After reading the entire Bible at least once. If studying one or two books that teaches you a few hundred of verses without context is sufficient to get baptized, why did God write thousands of verses in the Bible? Just for having something to read as a hobby only after the baptism?

  3) After knowing that secrets books exist containing hidden information regarding the way you will be judged. If having secret/hidden books/information is God's will, why not telling this to people before their baptism instead of discovering it only afterwards? Is there anything to hide?

  4) After knowing that with the baptism (in my Country) you become an adherent member of the local WT Society according to its Statute. Why discovering that casually only after the baptism on a Kingdom Ministry? Why not telling this to people before? Is there anything to hide?

  These are all things I regret for not having known and/or done before my baptism!
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  What do you think about Nehemia Gordon theory regarding "Yehovah" as God's name pronunciation that never got completely lost?

  by psyco in

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  nehemia gordon, in his book "shattering the conspiracy of silence", argues that "yehovah" is god's name pronunciation and it has never got completely lost, giving a linguistic explanation.

  what do you think about that?.

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  I found the explanation really interesting and credible, but I am not an expert in linguistics...
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  What do you think about Nehemia Gordon theory regarding "Yehovah" as God's name pronunciation that never got completely lost?

  by psyco in

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  nehemia gordon, in his book "shattering the conspiracy of silence", argues that "yehovah" is god's name pronunciation and it has never got completely lost, giving a linguistic explanation.

  what do you think about that?.

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  Nehemia Gordon, in his book "Shattering the Conspiracy of Silence", argues that "Yehovah" is God's name pronunciation and it has never got completely lost, giving a linguistic explanation. What do you think about that?
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  2021-Powerful By Faith-Talk Transcripts!

  by Atlantis in

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  2021--powerful by faith, talk transcripts.. https://www.filemail.com/d/bpludvmsuqmaqdz.

  https://we.tl/t-qbpywfpzyd.

  atlantis!.

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  Request:--Atlantis Do You Have The Original Watchtowers and The St. Paul Enterprise?

  by Atlantis in

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  several researchers have remarked, that the watchtower reprints are missing quotes here and there that are found in the original watchtower magazines.. .

  so, we have put together the "original" watchtower magazines for download.

  the reprints can be used for extras.

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  “Joshua” and “Jesus” are the same Greek and Hebrew/Aramaic name: is this not confusing?

  by psyco in

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  god’s name disappeared in the christian greek scriptures and its pronunciation got lost in the hebrew-aramaic ones.

  the current vowels of the hebrew pronunciation of god’s name are taken from the “adonay” (“lord”) hebrew word which were the vowels chosen by who did not want to pronounce his name.

  whereas the current latin pronunciation of god’s name (“jehovah”) was introduced by raymundus martini, a spanish monk of the dominican order, in his book published in 1270 c.e.

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  God’s name disappeared in the Christian Greek Scriptures and its pronunciation got lost in the Hebrew-Aramaic ones. The current vowels of the Hebrew pronunciation of God’s name are taken from the “Adonay” (“Lord”) Hebrew word which were the vowels chosen by who did not want to pronounce His name. Whereas the current Latin pronunciation of God’s name (“Jehovah”) was introduced by Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican order, in his book published in 1270 C.E. (w80 2/1 pp. 11-13).

  If this is not enough, “Joshua” (like in Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8) and “Jesus” (like, for example, in Hebrews 4:14) are two different Latin translations of the same Greek name “ΙΗΣΟΥΣ” and of the same Hebrew name ”יהושע” and of the same (abbreviated) Aramaic name ”ישוע”.

  Is it not confusing that the two most important words of the entire Bible (which are the names that let you identify and call the two most important characters: God and His Son) are so messed up?

  Am I wrong?
  
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  Russian NWT

  by psyco in

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  being born in, i developed an interest for russian language (which is the king of the north's one), so i have been looking forward to the new edition of the nwt in this language.

  i have just discovered they released it:.

  https://www.jw.borg/en/library/bible/?contentlanguagefilter=ru.

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  Being born in, I developed an interest for Russian language (which is the King of the North's one), so I have been looking forward to the new edition of the NWT in this language.

  I have just discovered they released it:

  https://www.jw.borg/en/library/bible/?contentLanguageFilter=ru
  

  but without any published news about it which would have been encouraging for the Russian persecuted JWs, wouldn't it?

  I wonder why...