Posts by psyco

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I do not understand the universal issue anymore

by psyco in

to explain the universal issue we are often referring to a teacher and his/her students.. let us imagine that a teacher (god) has an hour (everlasting) class to show his students (humans and angels) how to fix a broken clock (to reign).. one student (adam) says he is able to fix it better independently, without the teacher's help (universal issue).. the teacher let him demonstrate that in front of all the others, but instead of an hour lesson he gives him only 5 minutes (death after a limited period of time) and he blocks one of the student's hands behind his back (imperfection).. if i were one of the other students watching i could think: but those were not the initial conditions the student was in when he said he could, and what would have happened leaving him more time and both hands free?.

am i crazy?.

psyco

To explain the universal issue we are often referring to a teacher and his/her students.

Let us imagine that a teacher (God) has an hour (everlasting) class to show his students (humans and angels) how to fix a broken clock (to reign).

One student (Adam) says he is able to fix it better independently, without the teacher's help (universal issue).

The teacher let him demonstrate that in front of all the others, but instead of an hour lesson he gives him only 5 minutes (death after a limited period of time) and he blocks one of the student's hands behind his back (imperfection).

If I were one of the other students watching I could think: but those were not the initial conditions the student was in when he said he could, and what would have happened leaving him more time and both hands free?

Am I crazy?

Obedience and loyalty test: Jesus vs Adam

by psyco in

if i remember well, jesus gained immortality as a prize only after his obedience and loyalty (apparently for the first time) on earth.

this means his obedience and loyalty were tested because of certain circumstances (otherwise they would have not) and a lot of time after being created.. first question:.

1) why did god create his first perfect spiritual creature (jesus) without needing to be immediately tested regarding his obedience and loyalty, but he created the first perfect human creature (adam) with that need?

psyco

If I remember well, Jesus gained immortality as a prize only after his obedience and loyalty (apparently for the first time) on Earth. This means his obedience and loyalty were tested because of certain circumstances (otherwise they would have not) and a lot of time after being created.

First question:

1) Why did God create His first perfect spiritual creature (Jesus) without needing to be immediately tested regarding his obedience and loyalty, but He created the first perfect human creature (Adam) with that need?

Second question:

2) How long did Adam have to be tested for? He spent almost 50 years (calculating from 1975 supposing this date is correct) without Eve not touching the tree of the knowledge of good and bad (that was already there). And what about Adam and Eve's descendants? Following God's command to "be fruitful and become many, fill the earth", so that to be born and live far away from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, how could their obedience and loyalty be tested?

Third question:

3) If Adam and Eve were able to disobey God's command to "be fruitful and become many, fill the earth" before sinning without consequences, why did they change after knowing they would have condemned their descendants to the same consequences they had to suffer? Today, couples with a risk of bad genetically transmitted diseases are able not to have children, and Adam and Eve much closer than us to perfection were not? The only alternative is to think they did not know. So, how could you believe that a universal matter regarding who was right and who was a liar (God or Satan) was raised since then (in front of all the angels) if God, knowing that billions of people would have paid the same consequences without any faults, did not tell them all the truth?

Am I crazy?

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Bomb explodes in front of a KH in Italy (at night-time)

by psyco in

https://www.vastoweb.com/news/cronaca/1118535/ordigno-esplode-davanti-la-chiesa-dei-testimoni-di-geova-a-san-salvo.

psyco

https://www.vastoweb.com/news/cronaca/1118535/ordigno-esplode-davanti-la-chiesa-dei-testimoni-di-geova-a-san-salvo

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Shaking hundreds of hands every week: are JWs the only ones?

by psyco in

we know that with our hands we touch what everybody else does: money, handles, buttons, etc.. we also know for sure, since the xix century, that our hands carry bacteria and germs causing serious illnesses because of that.. despite more than 25,000 jws dying because of the covid, showing they are not immune, they were proudly declaring how good they were in handling this pandemic.. now, jws have started to shake hundreds of hands per week at their meetings, like before, even if covid is not over yet demonstrating hygiene knowledge back to medieval times.. i am wondering: are they the only religion/community/group still doing this or others are doing the same?.

psyco

We know that with our hands we touch what everybody else does: money, handles, buttons, etc.

We also know for sure, since the XIX Century, that our hands carry bacteria and germs causing serious illnesses because of that.

Despite more than 25,000 JWs dying because of the Covid, showing they are not immune, they were proudly declaring how good they were in handling this pandemic.

Now, JWs have started to shake hundreds of hands per week at their meetings, like before, even if Covid is not over yet demonstrating hygiene knowledge back to Medieval times.

I am wondering: are they the only religion/community/group still doing this or others are doing the same?

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What Percentage of active JW's are on Anti-Depressants?

by Sea Breeze in

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i came across an xjw post on redditt from a rn.

she states that nearly every jw she ever treated was on anti-depressants or anti-psychotic drugs:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/f35vaa/just_about_every_jw_i_come_across_is_on/ i once read somewhere that 1 in 5 jw's were on anti-depressants, but i couldn't find any documentation.

psyco

I rephrase from:

- you have to control your words because if you express a personal idea in contrast with the religion you risk a judicial committee, disfellowshipping, and shunning;

to:

- you have to keep controlling your actions and words because if they are contrasting the religion you will risk a judicial committee, being disfellowshipped, and being shunned;

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What Percentage of active JW's are on Anti-Depressants?

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

i came across an xjw post on redditt from a rn.

she states that nearly every jw she ever treated was on anti-depressants or anti-psychotic drugs:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/f35vaa/just_about_every_jw_i_come_across_is_on/ i once read somewhere that 1 in 5 jw's were on anti-depressants, but i couldn't find any documentation.

psyco

I would not be surprised since you are regularly and constantly (at least twice a week) reminded that:

- you are mortal because of Adam and Eve;

- you have to suffer all life, missing your goals and making mistakes being imperfect, because of Adam and Eve;

- you are under daily attack by Satan and demons, perfect spiritual creatures more powerful than you;

- you have to be ready to be persecuted to death if needed as a martyr;

- you have to be ready to die avoiding a blood transfusion;

- you have to prepare an emergency bag, keeping it updated and being ready to escape;

- you have to ring door bells of angry people who could even attack you physically;

- you have to control your words because if you express a personal idea in contrast with the religion you risk a judicial committee, disfellowshipping, and shunning;

- you have to be ready to go through a great tribulation never experienced before;

- after one thousand years of paradise still in imperfect conditions, you have to pass a final test where the number of rebels (who could be your family members, relatives, friends you made in the meanwhile, etc.) will be as the sand of the sea...

Do I forget anything?

Anxiety, anxiety, anxiety... Which leads to depression, depression, depression...

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Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

by EdenOne in

mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

psyco

https://philippfusz.com/about-me/

Is that him who wrote a book as well?

(source: https://avoidjw.org/news/killing-spree-kingdom-hall-jehovah-s-witnesses/)

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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

by psyco in

i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

thanks..

psyco

I remember having read somewhere, but I cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using ONLY JW publications, like "Insight on the Scriptures" (chronologies) for example.

Do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?

Thanks.

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Underage child: PIMI vs PIMO parents rights

by psyco in

i am a pimo, inactive, parent of an underage child.

i was wondering what rights i have in regards to avoid that my child will be baptized when still underage, not having read the entire bible and before being able to clearly evaluate all the alternatives and consequences (like it happened to me) whereas the other pimi parent has all the rights to do it.

any experiences about children in a pimi vs pimo parents situation?

psyco

I am a PIMO, inactive, parent of an underage child.

I was wondering what rights I have in regards to avoid that my child will be baptized when still underage, not having read the entire Bible and before being able to clearly evaluate all the alternatives and consequences (like it happened to me) whereas the other PIMI parent has all the rights to do it.

Any experiences about children in a PIMI vs PIMO parents situation?

Thanks.

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I do not understand why you should be considered bad parents if you do not have your children submitted to you

by psyco in

after creating the first human couple, god had 100% of not submitted human creatures (0 out of 2).at the time of the flood, he had 99,9% of not submitted human creatures (8 out of thousands if not even more).. nowadays, he has 99,9% of not submitted human creatures (8 millions jws out of 8 billions humans).. but he is considered a "good" god or father of his human creatures: why then is having submitted children a requirement for christians or for being considered "good" parents as jws?.

i mean: if he does not have more than 0,1% of submitted humans, how could i do better?

.

psyco

After creating the first human couple, God had 100% of not submitted human creatures (0 out of 2).

At the time of the Flood, He had 99,9% of not submitted human creatures (8 out of thousands if not even more).

Nowadays, He has 99,9% of not submitted human creatures (8 millions JWs out of 8 billions humans).

But He is considered a "good" God or Father of His human creatures: why then is having submitted children a requirement for Christians or for being considered "good" parents as JWs?

I mean: if He does not have more than 0,1% of submitted humans, how could I do better?