Posts by tor1500

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The "Jesus is Michael" teaching soon to go?

by Island Man in

could the teaching that jesus is michael the archangel, be soon to be discarded?

first of all, watchtower is big on image and this is one of those teachings that paint the jw religion as being rather kooky and heretical.

secondly, this teaching is not an original watchtower teaching but one they inherited from their second adventist ancestry.

tor1500

Hi,

They won't tell us...they'll put it in the public WT "Questions from Readers"...that's where some of the subliminal changes appear...That's where they the mentioned that they mentioned dates of the end but....then in another public they mentioned...we can clap for a re-instated DF'd ones....My question is....where in the bible does it say that...not to clap or too clap...their reasoning (& mine too, don't mean to boast but I thought of it before it was published)....I do that to answer the friends...I answer them only in scripture...so the scripture they used to support clapping for re-instated ones, was even the angels clap when one comes back to God....

Whatever they say...someone is going to quote Hebs. where is says...to which angel did God say you are my son....don't worry, a reader will point it out to them....and maybe they'll drop it...but they don't mention is much...they only mention it just to sound smarter than other Christians...you know witnesses think if they can quote scripture they are more intelligent...but if one knows the scriptures as well, you can quote too...make them see some scriptures that the org. just glosses over...

Tor

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Major JW mistake and where the Holy Spirit

by Crazyguy in

it's my understanding that the gb took out the text about the adulterous woman at mark 7:53 - 8:11, (this the all important verses where jesus says the one with out sin cast the first stone.

) sighting that it wasn't found in the oldest text.

which text are they talking about, the codex sinaiticus?

tor1500

Hi,

Nobody wants these verses in the bible...but it shows the true nature of Jesus...he didn't judge her so we aren't supposed to either...Jesus don't look at adultery like humans do....he doesn't judge...that account is for all people everywhere...it's not our job to judge....that's the moral of the story...

Even if it shouldn't be there, it should be in the bible...

It was taken out because of clergy and THE ORG/ those who judge....because it's more to the average person's advantage than it is for GB's, Elders, Pope, etc....

If you get brought in to be DF'd or excommunicated...you can use their old bible with that account in it...and slap it on the desk tell them...read this...then bounce. You may get DF'd anyway, but you planted a seed...

Tor

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JWs biggest problem is not doctrinal issues

by Chook in

it's biggest problems are associated with its lack of genuine love and concern for the rank& file.

the average person doesn't need a food critic to tell them their hamburger is shit, in the same manner the average person can discern kindness and love.

gbs fake love and concern is evident in the way head office deals with victims of sexual abuse by jw clergy.

tor1500

Hi All,

NO LOVE...maybe because some didn't come from Loving homes...so how would they know how to love if one doesn't come from that environment....you can't give something you never had or got...maybe some come from a home that only loves conditionally....that can be anyone's home...everyone does not come from a loving home where they were loved and nurtured...

Why don't witnesses see The Truth ....why, because they are in the in-crowd, but if you experience what others are saying...then they see it....there is a saying ....It's the thief that screams the loudest.....Witnesses don't see the truth until their toes are stepped on....

Many know of all the craziness going on in the org...it's on the internet and everywhere...& witnesses stay on the internet...always sending videos and feel good texts...most are losing hope but won't show it so they are immersing themselves...scared...because it may not be the last days...

The org. is a social club for social misfits...they are afraid of the real world so they much rather be around folks that don't love instead of taking their chances and hang out with other people who aren't witnesses...it's called being balanced...

I'm fortunate and came from a loving and supporting home...so when I got to the hall...I saw...they have no love in them...it's all a put on...

Tor

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Genesis chapter one can make your life meaningful and joyful

by venus in

literal reading of genesis chapter one brings no benefit because you would see god as speaking to fishes and birds (genesis 1:22) which we know is not possible.

however, with “a king’s mind” if one looks for the implied truth behind its literary allusions it may bring immense benefit.

(proverb 25:2) for example:.

tor1500

Hi All,

When I read Gen.1 3 thru 19: check this out: Then God commanded, “Let there be light”—and light appeared. 4 God was pleased with what he saw. Then he separated the light from the darkness, 5 and he named the light “Day” and the darkness “Night.” Evening passed and morning came—that was the first day...

Now check this out...Then God commanded, “Let lights appear in the sky to separate day from night and to show the time when days, years, and religious festivals[c] begin; 15 they will shine in the sky to give light to the earth”—and it was done. 16 So God made the two larger lights, the sun to rule over the day and the moon to rule over the night; he also made the stars. 17 He placed the lights in the sky to shine on the earth, 18 to rule over the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God was pleased with what he saw. 19 Evening passed and morning came—that was the fourth day.

So, there was day and night before there was the sun and the moon....so God is light all by himself...he made the sun and moon for us...

Maybe God created everything and we are here to discover what he created...it's mind boggling...I think it's difficult to believe in God because when we ask for something, we want it right away...we don't want no pain, we don't want to wait for anything, we want life our way, yet, we get angry with our children when they act that way....but we say there ain't no God, so when children don't get their way, what's that...There ain't no such thing as parents...

The bible has a lot stories....basically it's to show get along with one another and not to judge....all that other stuff is just stories...

Tor

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Why did Jesus not use God’s name Jehovah?

by venus in

no one doubts jesus extensively spoke about god’s kingdom because he said: “i must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of god to the other towns also, because that is why i was sent.” (luke 4:43) yet christian sects are divided over the subject whether jesus used god’s name or not.. it is said that god’s name jehovah was revealed to moses.

however jesus knew moses was not trustworthy.

(mathew 19:8) moses born and brought up in egypt could have been influenced by egyptian knowledge.

tor1500

Hi,

Because it's disrespectful to call your parents by their first name......well, my parents wouldn't but I do know folks that call their parents by their first names..guess they glad the kids call them at all...

Jesus called his Pop....Our Father who ....ummm...our Father, could that be proof that there is no Trinity....Jesus uses US a lot in that prayer...makes one think...

Tor

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"For God Loved the World so much that he gave his only Begotten Son in order that ....faith ..not destroyed ..everlasting life.

by smiddy in

or is their an inconsistency / contradiction here somewhere .?

in genesis god allows satan after deceiving the first human pair to go relatively unpunished for thousands of years interacting between heaven and earth at will.. the so called punishment is not to take effect until thousands of years later.. in the meantime .. the wager ( ?

) between jehovah and satan over jobs loyalty in question ,and obviously satan still having communication with god in the heavens.

tor1500

Hi All,

Ok, so this is why Jehovah is doing things this way....this is how one of the brothers explained it at a convention...

If Jehovah would answer Satan then he would prove Satan right, Jehovah's tactics are different from Satans....if Jehovah were to answer Satan, in a negative way, then Satan would be right about Jehovah....

This explains it best..."Satan has been allowed to influence the world of mankind to see if it can do better than without God. Jehovah has refused to interject in mankind's affairs and suffering so as not to be accused of loading the dice". well put by Konceptual99...

That's why the witnesses are into predictions of the end....they tired of waiting too....so to take up time they predict...ever see when they write in their literature....What has Jehovah/Jesus been doing since 1914 ? So they go on to explain what they think they are doing....but I bet they want to say....What the heck you and your son doing up there....we have been telling the friends you are setting up a kingdom, but Jehovah, gives up some type of sign, we are losing members....spoke to one of my family members, and one of their in-laws just left the org....

Tor

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honesty

by midnight in

regarding the recent 1975 video at the convention it hit me !.

when reasoning with people about the inspiration of the bible we used the bible writers candor ie/ there honesty when recording bible accounts about there personal mistakes .. how come the governing body despite its claims to be spirit directed are not honest about there mistakes ?.

tor1500

Hi All,

Once they thought they were wrong.....but they were mistaken...

They do admit when they are wrong, but it sounds like this...NEW LIGHT...AND IT GETS BRIGHTER.....ANY MORE NEW LIGHT & WE'LL HAVE TO WEAR JW SHADES....

The friends say that the org. admits when they make a mistake....how humble...but I say to myself.....how many times...then I remember...77 times...so the GB's can make 77 mistakes and we have to forgive them...77 times...now, what number are they up to now ?

Tor

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Hey "faithful slave," when did Jesus become king?

by The Fall Guy in

w78 3/1 p. 18 par.

15 - "when was god’s son made a king-priest like melchizedek?

this was 40 days after his resurrection from the dead, [33 c.e.

tor1500

Hi,

Jesus was made king when he left disciples. Ok. It's Mark 16:19. It says After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he has taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. That is the NIV Bible. Guess what ya'll not in the NWT. On Biblegate it mentions earliest manuscripts, blah blah blah. I notice with the Bible anything that really showed who Jesus was, truthful forgiving, etc. it's claimed to maybe not be a part of the Bible, just like when the folks brought a woman that was an adulteress to Jesus and he didn't judge her or nothing, but again that one was taken out to. Mostly in the NWT. So. Mark in the NWT only goes up to verse 8. How convenient, this scripture would really show when Jesus became King. If this is all true.

Tor

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1975 and the burning question/s??

by UnshackleTheChains in

ok. so i'm sitting there at the convention.

the video comes up about 1975 and the fact that the faithful brother in the video maintained his faith in the bible by adhering to the scripture that says:.

'no one knows the day or the hour as to when the lord is coming'.

tor1500

Hi All,

The org. is trying to be a little honest. The 1975 date has leaked out. It's no longer an apostasy. They started it but won't admit it.

This is being spoken about to the friends just in case they heard rumors, so they are going to put this rumor to rest and move on. Did they apologize? No, it's the friends fault.

I think since that article that said they are not inspired, has silently woken up a few, they won't leave but now the seed has been planted. Now the only way that seed of doubt will grow if someone steps on the silent awakened friend, then they come here.

There will be those in the audience that was around for the 1975 craze, and they were an adult. Most Jw's have low esteem of themselves so many of them will take the blame for misunderstanding and that's so very sad.

The org. reflects our gov't in the United States.... Kaos. People just don't believe in leaders/GB's anymore.

If they really want the friends to really stick with them. Admit THE ORG. is wrong.... the friends eat that kind of stuff up. Now that's good PR.

Tor

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Believers: How do you know your view of your chosen holy book is the correct one?

by punkofnice in

don't start fighting, darlings.

i am genuinely curious.

after all i was a jobo 50 years and thought the wbt$ was 100% correct.. i ask this because i see that, for example, christian denominations (or whatever), likely have differing interpretations of the same writing.

tor1500

Hi All,

The Bible is a story of good and bad. No matter what version you own of the Bible it's the same story.

All it really says is how we should treat one another. The story of the man who owed money and his debtor forgave his debt. Now the guy that has been forgiven .... now does he forgive others of their debt..... heck no....he goes and pressures others to pay him so he gets forgiveness it don't give none? Yes, folks there it is, do we need the Bible to tell us that, but you know what there are plenty of people out there that need to be told to love and forgive. If the Bible didn't tell them, they wouldn't have the decency to do it.

Just like we need holidays so we can get together with our families. Most humans are into themselves. We give our kids 365 a year but the great powers,that be dictate to us when to be nice because we just don't know. Yes there are many people in religions that mean well but the majority are mean spirited and the only way they may see the light that their religion is not the truth is when someone steps on their toes and they ain't so adamant anymore.

Heres the thing everyone thinks they are right, their God is bigger and better than your God. 2 christians talking.... I believe in God. The other says so do I. They talk about how good it is to be a Christian and find out they are on the same page with their beliefs, finally one says hey I go to worship on Saturday the other says I go on sundays, they part saying we can't be friends we attend worship on different days.

Thats Christianity attitude. We must agree.

Tor