Posts by tor1500

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Is The Watchtower Corporation Facing A Meltdown Of Confidence Among Its Members?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

looking at all the narcissistic bull shit the watchtower corporation has been spewing out for the world to see about suffering of its members to as nothing worth being very concerned about and as jehovah magnificent be vindicated is much more important.

have they really gone off their rocker enough for a very sizable portion of membership to see their insanity and jump ship?.

i think definitely they are losing all respect from their internet savy members as their madness becomes obvious.

tor1500

Hi All,

I'm still in...I've noticed a weird vibe in the hall...I think folks are thinking but not re-acting, just going through the motions...the org., is throwing so much at the friends to swallow...they are not inspired, not infallible, did not say anything about 1975, The ARC (folks know, why I know they know, because it's not talked about, that's when they know, when not a peep is spoken). When attending assemblies, not too many baptism candidates....there was a time when they frowned upon young ones getting baptized, now look....

The talk that you hear among the friends are about the JW website....that's where they are zealous, like they are in the know....

It's not about confidence it's about the social aspect of the org., many of the friends are afraid of their own shadow...they are in-bred....

Most are witnesses because it's a badge of honor...

Tor

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Columbus Circle monument could be next statue to go

by freemindfade in

christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.

if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?

how will people 200 years from now look back on us?

tor1500

Hi All,

I'm going to run down the middle with this statue removing issue...All these statues were human beings, they did great things and added to our history, some things they did were not so nice...owning slaves,etc., Christopher claiming he discovered America...how could he discover something that was already inhabited...it's not like the land was empty and they brought the first humans and animals to America....it's like saying...you saw what looked like an abandoned bldg. and thought no one lived there.. but later the folks came home...or should I say, You discovered they came home...

So, yes, take down the statues and put them in a museum because they are a part of US history, but it's to celebrate them NO...they upheld slavery and other issues that were fought for...but let's look at Jehovah...he is not partial...Lets take a look at David...umm...he was close to Jehovah's heart, but, he killed, committed adultery and maybe some other things...did Jehovah hold that against him....NO, because if he did...we would not be reading Psalms today...I'm just saying...

Tor

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Do You Think Jehovah's Witnesses Are Typically Ignorant People?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i think most witnesses are simple minded.many are ignorant.

there are a lot of basically "good people "in the religion but i believe many are kind of dumb, including many elders.

do you agree with my thoughts??

tor1500

Hi All,

Just to add to my previous 2 cents...They are more arrogant than ignorant....and a person that is arrogant because they are ignorant...that's a dangerous combination....they know they are wrong and have been shown they are wrong, but to stubborn to admit it....that's JW's in a nutshell, the ones that drink the kool-aide.

Tor

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Do You Think Jehovah's Witnesses Are Typically Ignorant People?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i think most witnesses are simple minded.many are ignorant.

there are a lot of basically "good people "in the religion but i believe many are kind of dumb, including many elders.

do you agree with my thoughts??

tor1500

Hi,

They are just like any religious person...they feel because they can quote scriptures they are intelligent...that's because they like to dumb down to look pious, I'm such a Christian, I don't know about certain things but I know my bible....that's the mind-set....just like what's going on now...they feel something is up, something is going to happen, & they think they know....wonder what witnesses thought during, other turbulent times, like Depression, civil unrest etc...

The Ignorance is just game....to show they are not of the world...one time I said to a sister...AKA: she didn't know what that meant, but she knows how to rack up points for coffee and how to get free stuff...

Many at my hall, have been to college and they are professionals...they give intelligent comments, but they don't apply it...many think because they give good comments that they are spiritually strong and they are a dedicated witness in good standing...NOT....they are just good students...how many students in school were smart but class clown or were bullies but smart....good comments mean nothing...

Some witnesses never went to school so what they learn from the org. makes them seem educated...sometimes the more ignorant a person is the more arrogant they are...

Again, don't believe the hype, witnesses are smarter than they let on....

Many people do lose site of what's really important when it comes to money and higher education...some people are professional students, never graduate and when they do, they go back to school to avoid the real world...that's what the org. is somewhat talking about...don't get too smart or too rich to forget about Jehovah...

Tor

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Have you noticed this trend on social media amongst witnesses...?

by stuckinarut2 in

it seems that every 2nd witness often posts pictures of themselves at conventions, or out in 'service'.

but i have noticed that they never seem to post anything about the actual "spiritual content" of their activity!

instead, it is pictures of them with their witness "friends", along with some contrite comment like #bestlifeever (arrghhh).

tor1500

Hi,

Because they are molded by this system of things....They mirror all the things that so called worldly folks do...what the heck is a worldly person...one who travels...lol....we are all worldly because we are a part of the world...some of us whether witnesses or not, do not buy into what the world has to offer...anyway...The witnesses do whatever everyone else does...

Notice at most jobs, folks eat all day long...drink water all day, coffee, snacks etc...all day...ever notice witnesses, they always up to eating especially if its for free...witnesses are people first, except they don't think so, until you call them on a imperfection, then they say they are only human, other than that, they are a cut above the rest of mankind...they are witnesses...God's chosen...NOT...

So as time goes along, you will notice changes...why, because the young ones are coming and they going to put a whole new spin on the org...

Tor

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Has anyone else recently been contacted by a once close JW friend or relative? Could this be a new JW tactic?

by Latte in

hmmmm...yesterday my long life friend called my landline after many years of silence.

now the shock has subsided, i am wondering if i can forgive and forget the fact she chose not to keep in touch throughout a time in my life which was very stressful.

sadly, i gathered that she is still involved with jehovah’s witness faith.

tor1500

@Awakenednow,

I hope so too...everyone needs a safe place to vent...Many will wake up....trust me...there is a certain vibe in the hall lately....can't say what it is...but it's a feeling...I think most are just going through the motions...They have been there for so long...why change now...they have their social life all tied up in the org....

Many want to leave but can't for whatever reasons...maybe one day the org. should have a window of opportunity...tell folks they can leave now with no repercussions and no announcement...

That would be huge...

Tor

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Watchtower's unscriptual boasting about works

by Diogenesister in

nothing big here, just a little musing on this scripture at ephesians 2.8-9 that definately states that only faith saves, not works, in case men start to boast about their amazing works.

"8for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of god, 9not of works, that no one would boast.

well my word, i would definately say witnesses *do nothing but boast*, especially now on jw broadcast.

tor1500

Hi All,

I live in NYC....lately, I've been taking the bus to work...The Bus travels down 5th Avenue...From Central Park all the way downtown to 23rd street....homeless...everywhere...sleeping ON THE BENCHES OUTSIDE OF CENTRAL PARK in the doorways of Fendi, Louis Vitton and ON THE STEPS OF CHURCHES....they are saying...so you won't help the homeless...we'll just be an eye sore...

So all that to say...how many homeless do you think will sleep or beg in front of a kingdom hall...well, first of all most of them have a gate around the bldg. so the homeless can only be outside the gate...don't think the homeless would hang out in front of a kingdom hall...because it's well known....witnesses don't help nobody...

Imagine, it's common knowledge among the homeless...sure our works...they forgot that God gave his son for our sins....it's a gift...and you can't work for it...that's why God says it's faith...works are a result of changing to be a better person...doesn't mean you have to kill yourself for God in the ministry or whatever you think you have to do to earn the sacrifice...Witnesses can't change that's why they work so hard...they only have faith when things are good...oh Jehovah is so good, but let something happen, well, we know Satan is in charge of this system...blah blah...

THE ORG IS IT'S OWN BEST CUSTOMER....

TOR

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Has anyone else recently been contacted by a once close JW friend or relative? Could this be a new JW tactic?

by Latte in

hmmmm...yesterday my long life friend called my landline after many years of silence.

now the shock has subsided, i am wondering if i can forgive and forget the fact she chose not to keep in touch throughout a time in my life which was very stressful.

sadly, i gathered that she is still involved with jehovah’s witness faith.

tor1500

Hi All,

Witnesses are calling folks who were once in the truth or not in the truth...they need to vent...many are starting to see the lies and deceit..but they can't trust any active witness so just they contact those who they think are safe...they first feel you out by asking if you went to the assembly, etc, that's to flush out if you are still drinking the kool-aide...I say as time goes along, many of us will be contacted by those who are still in but can't talk to anyone...

Just think the very people they turned their backs on, now these same people they turn to ...amazing...

Tor

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The "Jesus is Michael" teaching soon to go?

by Island Man in

could the teaching that jesus is michael the archangel, be soon to be discarded?

first of all, watchtower is big on image and this is one of those teachings that paint the jw religion as being rather kooky and heretical.

secondly, this teaching is not an original watchtower teaching but one they inherited from their second adventist ancestry.

tor1500

Hi,

They won't tell us...they'll put it in the public WT "Questions from Readers"...that's where some of the subliminal changes appear...That's where they the mentioned that they mentioned dates of the end but....then in another public they mentioned...we can clap for a re-instated DF'd ones....My question is....where in the bible does it say that...not to clap or too clap...their reasoning (& mine too, don't mean to boast but I thought of it before it was published)....I do that to answer the friends...I answer them only in scripture...so the scripture they used to support clapping for re-instated ones, was even the angels clap when one comes back to God....

Whatever they say...someone is going to quote Hebs. where is says...to which angel did God say you are my son....don't worry, a reader will point it out to them....and maybe they'll drop it...but they don't mention is much...they only mention it just to sound smarter than other Christians...you know witnesses think if they can quote scripture they are more intelligent...but if one knows the scriptures as well, you can quote too...make them see some scriptures that the org. just glosses over...

Tor

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Major JW mistake and where the Holy Spirit

by Crazyguy in

it's my understanding that the gb took out the text about the adulterous woman at mark 7:53 - 8:11, (this the all important verses where jesus says the one with out sin cast the first stone.

) sighting that it wasn't found in the oldest text.

which text are they talking about, the codex sinaiticus?

tor1500

Hi,

Nobody wants these verses in the bible...but it shows the true nature of Jesus...he didn't judge her so we aren't supposed to either...Jesus don't look at adultery like humans do....he doesn't judge...that account is for all people everywhere...it's not our job to judge....that's the moral of the story...

Even if it shouldn't be there, it should be in the bible...

It was taken out because of clergy and THE ORG/ those who judge....because it's more to the average person's advantage than it is for GB's, Elders, Pope, etc....

If you get brought in to be DF'd or excommunicated...you can use their old bible with that account in it...and slap it on the desk tell them...read this...then bounce. You may get DF'd anyway, but you planted a seed...

Tor