Posts by tor1500

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Faced with the reality of mortality

by stuckinarut2 in

how have you all coped with facing the reality of our mortality?.

most of us were raised to firmly believe we would never get old or die... so here we are now having to face the reality that are getting older... we are going to die.. sometimes it really pisses me off that we were never helped to comprehend this most basic of facts.

we were given a utopian dream as a "fact", and hence never taught how to face our inevitable futures.... thoughts?.

tor1500

@Island Man, & All,

You mirror my thoughts exactly....before we were born, we knew nothing & when we die, we'll still know nothing...Death is scary because of the unknown...we are aware now so we think we will have some type of awareness when we die, so that's what scares us, because we think stuff will be going on & we can only watch...Like Island Man said, we are unconscious...I used to think the bible made death more acceptable, most think we going to heaven, witnesses think they going to paradise...others believe virgins will be waiting for'em...whatever story we choose, it's a better place...

Witnesses are afraid of death, and they think they will cross over....but they are not prepared for Armaga....(however you spell it), why? Because they are germaphobic in this system, so how will they deal with the dead...especially if they aren't witnesses...ever notice witnesses are always sanitizing or moisturizing...wear gloves for everything...amazing...

Nobody wants to die, but we don't want to stay here if we are in pain...but if we do return, just think, you will be able to say....Been There Done That....

"Death does no harm to the dead. Death only grieves the living. Don't grieve over your own death. Grieve over the death of a loved one" SO PROFOUND...

Tor

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No other religion is as guilty as JW religion—you know why?

by venus in

all other religions have myths that show satan as inferior to god almighty.

but only jw religion portrays satan more powerful than god through their teaching of “issue of sovereignty” which implies god almighty needs validation from satan as though he waits till satan is satisfied which has not happened even after killing of jesus 2000 years ago and things like ethnic cleansing, spilling of oceans of blood ….

etc..

tor1500

Hi,

Jehovah is waiting for mankind to realize we can't rule ourselves because of our imperfections and sin...So Jehovah wants us to be sick and tired of being sick and tired....once this happens we will finally give up and say...OK, Jehovah you is the MAN & have always been THE MAN....

Think about life today....the gov't has gone rogue, White House ain't thinking about us...basically no one is minding the store and so we citizens don't have any leadership, everybody watching for their own butts...

I've met many people that are saying, can't trust the Pres./Gov't so I'll try the man above...

Could Jehovah have opened up the window of opportunity for us to look to him...

Maybe just maybe this is the time to preach...folks are more open...I'm just saying...

Jehovah don't need humans to tell folks about his sovereignty, he said it in the bible, he could've used rocks, he just wants to let you know, that he raised his son from the dead and he can raise you...Jehovah's message is this...I gave my son for you nuts...so act like you appreciate it...preach about my son Jesus, not me, I can take care of myself...

It's called Christianity...why because Christ....not Jehovah'anity...

Tor

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How Would You Console A Witness Who Has Lost A Loved One?

by minimus in

jw
friends

let’s say that you haven’t been around a kingdom hall in years and everyone knows you are not a “true believer “ anymore.

yet a tragedy strikes and you want to give a real heartfelt expression of your feelings— what would you say?

would you acknowledge the resurrection hope that the witnesses entertain or say something very different?.

tor1500

Hi,

Just repeat what they tell others about the love of a lost one...give them a track, OR, the famous...TAKE IT TO JEHOVAH IN PRAYER...

They know about the resurrection hope but when it happens to them....they feel just like all humans, hopeless...

Humans are all alike, they don't have compassion for anyone else until it happens to them...

Many can teach it but can't apply what they teach....

But here's the rub, God sees our hearts...yes, it's would feel good to get them back and tell them what they tell everyone else when they lose someone in death....but that ain't right, so I think the best thing to say....Take it to Jehovah in prayer....then shut up....that alone will make them remember when they said those words to someone one day &&&& it didn't help...

Tor

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Why is there such a 'high turnover' within the Jehovahs Witnesses?

by UnshackleTheChains in

i happened to come across a time article in 2008. it was basically talking about the high turnover in american faiths.

it mentioned the jdubs and highlighted the following point.. an even more extreme example of what might be called "masked churn" is the relatively tiny jehovah's witnesses, with a turnover rate of about two-thirds.

that means that two-thirds of the people who told pew they were raised jehovah's witnesses no longer are — yet the group attracts roughly the same number of converts.

tor1500

Hi,

Celibacy....nobody standing on line to be celibate....& they only love you when you going to be a witness....

Folks find out that they love you conditionally....

Tor

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Delineation of Biblical Application for Anointed vs R&F

by IronSharpensIron in

i think it would be great for the gb to clearly define the scriptures that are intended towards the 'anointed' who are already counted, depending on who you believe, and the remainder of scriptures intended for the rest of the followers.

that way there is no confusion during biblical discussions about how little of the bible actually has to do for the great crowd.

and so new studies can clearly see, defined, how little of the bible god cared to preserve for the great crowd.. further it would be useful to know from the gb what scriptures are believed to be literal and which are solely spiritual.. just an idea.

tor1500

HI,

There is no such thing, the bible applies to all....when Jesus says there are others in the flock but....that means there are others who just not ready to follow Jesus right now...John 10:16...that is what that means to me...

Why do humans always see each other in different classes...rules for one and rules for the other....there seems to always be an upper echelon in life...even when flying...first class, second class, etc...

The message of the bible is for everyone...Remember the org. see's themselves in the Bible...So they elected themselves as the anointed, ain't nobody said nothing to them....it's all man-made...

Don't believe the hype, because that's just what it is...the org. plays on folks esteem, some feel unworthy no matter what...the ones that don't have made themselves the anointed...I hope they haven't defiled themselves sexually....

Tor

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If the WTBTS Was Disbanded Tomorrow...

by Cimarrona in

how would the gb, do, co, bethelites, elders, pioneers, etc list their now-meaningless positions on their resume?

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tor1500

HI,

Most would just faint and have the vapors....the org. is their life blood, it would be like pulling the plug and most would just plain short circuit...talk about the walking Dead...

I think many also would jump for joy, quietly in their heads...

Tor

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Signing Away Your Hard Earned Cash

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

reading the meeting workbook study for this week to see what my family will be reading at their meeting, once again they are asking for members for generous gifts not only from money they earn but also part of any investments they may have and making future arrangements for them to inherit after death through their wills.

take a look at the lower part of the page on this link, its awful!

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20151115/donations-worldwide-work/.

tor1500

HI,

As most of you know I haven't been a witness for too long, but I remember from the stage how many of the Brothers would give a talk and mention how the churches are installing ATM machines & how they are like the story of the money exchangers that Jesus threw out of the church. & See how greedy christiandom is...blah blah blah....now look whose calling the kettle black, remember when the org. talked about the Catholic churches with child molestation....JW land is always pointing judgmental fingers at others...but they were the ones that said if you point a finger at someone, how many fingers are pointing back at you ?

The more the ORG. accuses other religions, it's just a matter of time that the org. is guilty of the same thing.

They are begging just like other religions, it's how they package the message that the average JW accepts...they have no idea of how the org. really makes their money....flipping real estate...

Tor

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Strip off the old personality

by eyeuse2badub in

yesterday’s watchtower talked about how by becoming a jw it enabled “worldly” people to ‘strip off the old personality’ and make really significantly good changes in their life.. paragraph named 4 individuals (anonymous names of course and probably embellished tales)) sakura, ribeiro, stephen, and hans.

their lives changed for the good because they found god or because they became jw’s---right?.

so on the way home from this wt meeting, my wife commented to me how wonderful our brotherhood is and how it helps people who would otherwise be ‘lost’ n this world.

tor1500

Hi,

Strip off...think about those words...has anyone ever stripped paint off of something, hard work ain't it? Depending on how much paint is on it...Just the word strip, sounds like it hurts...it hurts to change old habits...so many of the witnesses can't strip off the old personality, why ? Because it hurts...they just appear to change by their comments or coming to the meetings, keeping up on JW.TV, reading all the latest, shunning, looking like a good witness, but they haven't changed a bit...

I'm in a hall, everyone looks and sounds like a Christian, but ask for something, watch them shuffle. Ask for a loan, they have to ask their spouse, that's an easy way to say"NO"...need a ride, got to ask at least 10 folks before you get one if at all....

Witnesses know how to make it look like they have changed, but take it from me....Most of them haven't, they are faking it 'til they make it...

It's hard for folks to change...sometimes it takes you years to be who you are bad or good so it will take some more years for you to change...People only change when they are sick and tired of being sick and tired...

Tor

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How do they get away with "New Light"?

by moreconfusedthanever in

one thing that bothers me greatly is the fact that they can change their policies and beliefs and just say its "new light" and no one bats an eyelid.. there are many scriptures such as isaiah 40:8 "the word of god will last to time indefinite.

" or hebrews 6:18 "it is impossible for god to lie".

if he is "spirit directing" the borg then there should be no need for new light..

tor1500

Hi,

Because they realize people are more educated now...they can read...even though they may not question they can read....they have gone so far ahead of the scriptures to appear more knowledgeable than the other religions...at the time they started, how many in or out of the truth were able to dispute the truth the org. found in the same bible the world has been reading, they were pulling out of the bible reasonable truths that if not challenged to the average JW it made sense....

New Light is nothing but back peddling...Jesus ain't Michael, 144,000 (are virgin men, not only JW's), no two different classes, FDS is just a parable, God didn't really mean not to have blood transfusions...& on & on...

The question is how do they get away with it....because I'm a witness and know ttatt, most of my congregation knows the ttatt, but they feel it's the best place to be...

They feel the new light is very commendable of the society, they admit they were wrong, so that makes them humble, & that's what rocks the boat of the average witness, they admit their mistakes...as long as the org. does that and the friends don't have to admit theirs, they are quite happy for the new light because it takes the light off of them of the stuff all us witnesses do in the dark.

The more the org. tells us not to do the more we sneak and hide...we are children dressed up in adult clothing...

Just think a grown person tattling on another grown person & they are ok with that...& they need a new light to tell them, it's wrong....

The ORG. is a social setting just like the rest of the world...I work and folks only come to work to socialize, drink coffee all day, go to the bathroom a million times...(they go to Starbucks, all day)...& sometime during the day they work...the same with witnesses, they love to socialize & then sprinkle a little religion on it...

The only message the witnesses don't get it is the message of PEACE...they will never admit how empty they are after the meetings...never...

Tor

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Did you leave the JW RECENTLY? Really? Recently? WTF were you thinking?

by The Real Edward Gentry in

jw
friends

not to be overly harsh...but if you just left, what the hell were you thinking?

between 1995 and now, you never did an internet search of "jehovahs-witness" or "watchtower"?

good god.

tor1500

Hi All,

I'm kind of a newbie...from my observation many stay because of the secure feeling they get...Many may not even had that type of secure feeling in their own home from their own parents, so the environment is good for those who don't know the difference between conditional love and unconditional love....some people don't get no hugs at home so when they come to the hall, they come to you and say, Ahhh, I need a hug, they blame it on the system but it's either because they live alone or who they do live with, they get no love, just spiritual food...the hall is the only place they may get support, so many factors of why folks stay...why do folks stay with an abusive spouse, who knows, only the shadow do...lol...

As someone said many don't want to rock the boat. Many see the ttatt, but no one has stepped on their toes as of yet, but just wait...I'm close to many of the brothers and sisters, and they talk, some even know of a sister or brother whose child was molested and they still come but they are cold towards the org., but still come because to them it's still the truth...why they stay, you would have to ask them...

Most like to be spoon fed and they are, they are safe, they will wake up in paradise, they haven't the guts to endure this world the way it is...all they do is whine...witnesses don't like to be unconvenienced, they want the easy life now, don't want to pay bills, work or anything because they are witnesses. Witnesses can't cope with the real life so they run to the hall...like those who run to meds, when they can't take it...

You ask what were you thinking...that's the ticket right there....they weren't thinking they were being spoon fed and felt safe and that if anything happened to another friend within the org. even if the org. was wrong, most likely the sister or brother were wrong, never to believe the org. was unfair, until...IT HAPPENS TO THEM.

Tor