Posts by Hopeless1

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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

hi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..

Hopeless1

KalebOutWest & Vanderhoven7,

Many thanks for sharing….. much appreciated.

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Mesquite Mountain

by peacefulpete in

ok, the title may make more sense for those who enjoy grilling.

horeb (aka sinai).

most students of the ot are fully aware of the documentary hypothesis in some form, in short it is near universally recognized that the book of exodus, for example, is the composite work of a redactor who has collected the traditions of the judahite and israelite people.

Hopeless1

Peaceful,

I looked up on various internet sources and found out about the ‘is it Sinai or is it Horeb etc” issue, and find your comment above fascinating.

It makes more sense, of course, if it were the mount itself he had approached, (and not a bush on fire)

Very interesting!

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WARNING! If you DELIBERATELY avoid the JW memorial.....

by BoogerMan in

.......you will experience a fate worse than death!

you have been warned - don't come crying to me if you don't go.

you've got one month to change your mind.

Hopeless1

Jan,

Good evening, - in case no-one answered your question,

“Where does it say in the Bible that wilful disregard of the Passover was punishable by death?”

The relevant scripture is Numbers 9:13, the term “cut off from his people”,

(Strongs Hebrew 3772) ‘Karath’, is variously interpretation according to the

person or persons doing the interpretation, if that makes sense?

To Jehovah’s Witnesses it means death, in this case.

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Physically in mentally agnostic ie sitting on the fence

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

hi everyone i’m not pimi or pimo i’m pima.. i don’t think the gb have everything right but i’m sitting on the fence that maybe they do some things.. if the great trib starts i will jump that side of the fence.. this is a definite little sneaky advantage dodging but even by their own doctrine last min some could come in.. i suspect many are like me.. i spent years in bethel and am very disappointed and disillusioned by it all.. but at the end of the day i love the bible and think it is the word of god and i don’t see any other religion that comes as close to what jesus describes his true followers or who are fulfilling mat 24:14..

Hopeless1

ExBethelitenowPIMA

May I enquire, please, if you have faith in the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses, that they, and they alone, are God’s chosen spokesperson at this time, and that they have the God ordained right to expect all Jehovah’s Witnesses therefore to be obedient to them?

Or do you doubt their authority, or the extent of their authority?

You seem to be saying that on two counts at least they prove themselves and their devotees alone are true Christians, that is as respects ‘preaching the kingdom’ and having ‘love amongst themselves’.

If you are resolved at this time that only the GB have God’s Holy Spirit, and the ability to command you as respects your faith, then it would seem futile to try to reason with you further.

Should you be hoping that someone on this website will convince you otherwise, then you should be aware at the end of the day, that it will be for nothing, because you will merely be exchanging one instructor for another, getting your ears ‘tickled’.

The only way is to put in the effort of deep study yourself, there are many excellent sources of study on the internet now, and many souls happy to share their discoveries with you, but to be one of Christ’s disciples is not about debating what one believes, it’s about proving it to yourself.

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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

by psyco in

i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

thanks..

Hopeless1

MrMustard,

Then there's this again:

The plain sense of Jeremiah 25:29 says the calamity begins (starts) firstwith Jehovah's city (namely Jerusalem) and Judah and proceeds to gentile nations.

"See, I am beginning to bring disaster..." is not the same as saying Babylon will "start with" Jerusalem.

Seventy years of servitude, vassalage, to Babylon of many nations. One of which was Judah, but the rule of Babylon is the 70 years.

Hence 29:10 - "When seventy years have been completed for Babylon..."

The emphasis of the 70 years is always Babylon. Not just Nebuchadnezzar, Babylon. It's 70 years of Babylonian rule. And 25:12 makes it really clear because when the 70 years is up, Babylon falls ( in that order ).

Though Assyria was conquered by Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon before the year 606 BCE, Nebuchadnezzar II was not yet king at that time. Nebuchadnezzar II conquered Assyria while Nebuchadnezzar's father was king of Babylon.
So? I don't see where the 70 years is attributed specifically to Neb. It's "for Babylon".

Thank you very much indeed! 😊

All these years I have been reading “70 years for Babylon” and thinking to myself, ‘that verse just doesn’t sound grammatically correct,- if the writer means to imply “at, or in, Babylon” (?!), when referring to the desolation of Jerusalem.

The penny has dropped at last!

I struggled for a long time over 607 or 587, and at the end came to the conclusion that 70 years could only apply to the conquest, vassalage of Jerusalem and Judea.

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Images

by peacefulpete in

simple question.

while the deuteronomists and later writers of the bible condemned the use of images of yahweh, they at the same time imagined him and described him in text as a man in the sky with bow and arrows or riding a chariot drawn by cherubs or sitting on a throne.

if the former is a dishonor, ought not the latter be as well?.

Hopeless1

Hmmmmmm….

possibly?, …. Quite likely?

Okay, don’t know, not sure I care right now, depends perhaps on what the Almighty wants to communicate to his faithful, and whether he wants to conceal the real truth from the less than worthy in his eyes.

(I just thank God I can even contemplate such questions now 🤪)

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why are we interested in what is going on in the JW

by enoughisenough in

for the most of us, we have left the jws...and even though we are no longer jw, many of us are still interested in their beliefs, doctrines and practices as currently practiced.

i was trying to sort out in my mind why i still care about what they are doing.

i think the answer to that is a hope that something will develop in the jws that will wake up a lot of others, and selfishly, a lot of my friends.

Hopeless1

To be honest, I really wonder why it feels impossible to just leave that part of the past 60 odd years behind, and just get on with life now.

Why, oh why am I so drawn to anything JW or xJW? ( Except the .org website )

Probably, if I was 20 years younger I could get a job, possibly take a college course, plan some sort of future? Or possibly become a useful member of the human race?

Is it the indoctrination we underwent, - the constant drilling into our psyche that this is the ‘Truth’ and we must live accordingly, or we will be forever weeping and gnashing the teeth until we die!

Or maybe perhaps just the fact I cannot stop kicking myself for being so dumb all this time, it comforts me that I’m not the only one😒

Many thanks to all of you who share your thoughts and feelings, 😊, it helps!

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Images

by peacefulpete in

simple question.

while the deuteronomists and later writers of the bible condemned the use of images of yahweh, they at the same time imagined him and described him in text as a man in the sky with bow and arrows or riding a chariot drawn by cherubs or sitting on a throne.

if the former is a dishonor, ought not the latter be as well?.

Hopeless1

Perhaps the Almighty God was using an anthropomorphism to get a point across?

To depict or describe a quality about himself to the receiver of such visions, which could not be understood from a human perspective (such as his ability to act as a mighty warrior on behalf of his devotees).

Or could the visions depict analogies? Describing the unseen and unknown in terms more easily understood by humans, - but not meant to be taken as literal.

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Staying in physically for all the benefits

by Indoubtbigtime in

i wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.

also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .

there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.

Hopeless1

(Absolutely no benefits whatever ! )

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Staying in physically for all the benefits

by Indoubtbigtime in

i wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.

also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .

there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.

Hopeless1

Thanks, Vanderhoven, I had forgotten what this thread was about!

Just looked up ‘Graeme Hammond’ on the internet and found the Aussie newspaper article, great anti-witness given…

Speaking personally, cannot say I can see any advantage to having been one of Jehovah’s Witnesses at any time of my life,… plenty of disadvantages though -