Posts by FFGhost

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Teachings "Unique to JW's" They Hide From You Before Baptism

by Sea Breeze in

jehovah can't be your father in this life.

'they [jw members] address him prospectively as "our father.

jesus is not your mediator:.

FFGhost

It is not normal for people to flat out lie to your face

You must not have very much experience in politics.

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What is your most favorite politically incorrect film

by mickbobcat in

since all the leftist idiots are trying to cancel films they don't like i am buying some dvds of my fav.

pi films.

my favorite top pick is animal house.

FFGhost

"Blazing Saddles" would never ever get made today.

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Can we stick to topics that we came that we came to this forum in the first place?

by James Jack in

i don’t care about politics, books you are reading, movies and tv programs you’re watching, etc..

FFGhost

Makes me wonder if Amazon delivers to Bethel and if so do they ship booze in a plain unmarked box?

I'd be willing to bet there is at least one still somewhere on the grounds of Wallkill and / or Patterson, quite possibly even Warwick.

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A MYSTERIOUS (maybe romantic) LETTER arrives!

by Terry in

jw
friends

mysterious romantic letter?.

my story begins at noon with the letter-carrier dropping off a mystery envelope.

(for my grandson severin (he was out walking his chihuahua.).

FFGhost

I like how it's written on notebook paper. Binder wholes and all - lends an air of seriousness to her message.

Seems like Lucia is probably 11 years old, and on the next sheet of her notebook she wrote her book report on "The Outsiders".

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Drinking during Prohibition

by Davros in

jw
friends

during a recent conversation i had with someone, a question came up that i really don't know the answer to.

did jw's still drink during prohibition in the us during the 1920's until it's repeal in 1933?

was alcoholic beverages considered forbidden and possibly subject to disfellowshipping?.

FFGhost

I wonder if they will forbid ingesting legal cannabis for recreational use.

The latest elders' manual (12:15.4) specifically mentions "...a practice of abusing addictive drugs, including betel nut, marijuana, and tobacco" as a disfellowshipping level offense.

It then goes on to mention that an exception may be granted for cases where a "medical doctor authorizes and/or prescribes marijuana for a medical problem".

I can see a lucrative business opportunity for an unscrupulous MD to "authorize" the use of "medical marijuana" for JWs. Requests from kids of wealthy elders alone would be enough to allow him to buy a 50 meter yacht and dock it in Monaco.

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Drinking during Prohibition

by Davros in

jw
friends

during a recent conversation i had with someone, a question came up that i really don't know the answer to.

did jw's still drink during prohibition in the us during the 1920's until it's repeal in 1933?

was alcoholic beverages considered forbidden and possibly subject to disfellowshipping?.

FFGhost

Earnest,

Thanks!

I wonder if there is documentation or history of any actual early Bible Student "church trials".

The Proclaimers book mentions "on rare occasions" - how rare? Was there an "official" procedure that was to be followed? Who made the final determination?

What happened if the person was found "guilty"? The New Creation book mentions "withdrawing fellowship", but what did that mean in practice? Everyone, including family? Did "fellowship" mean within the walls of the meeting place, or outside it as well? What was the procedure for one found guilty to be "restored"?

I would imagine that "rare occasions" indicates vanishingly rare, but I'd love to see documentation (if any exists).

I'd bet it does exist in some dusty, forgotten corner of the Bethel archives.

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Drinking during Prohibition

by Davros in

jw
friends

during a recent conversation i had with someone, a question came up that i really don't know the answer to.

did jw's still drink during prohibition in the us during the 1920's until it's repeal in 1933?

was alcoholic beverages considered forbidden and possibly subject to disfellowshipping?.

FFGhost

"Disfellowshipping" wasn't invented until the mid-to-late 30's, well after the end of Prohibition.

And even that was just for "exceptional" cases. The invention of disfellowshipping in the form like it is today (judicial committee of 3 elders, 2 witnesses or confession required, appeals, reinstatement, etc.) wasn't invented until 1951 or so.

There really wasn't any sort of "enforcement mechanism" for undesired behavior until well into the reign of Pappy Knorr.

The stifling stranglehold on "acceptable" behavior arose only slowly, slowly, over decades, like the gradual boiling of the proverbial frog in the pot of water. In the 1920s it was still just a small group and generally the few in at that time had more freedom.

It would be an interesting research project, though, to see what the 1920's literature had to say about alcohol and prohibition.

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The WT will now produce a Jesus Movie (Series)

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

i'm actually looking forward to their warped view of matthew, mark, luke and john for this.

the drama from 2015 wasn't that bad.

however.... yeah steven lett mentions othe films about jesu are plagued with false religion.

FFGhost

the GB has just cancelled the next two years

by neat blue dog in

even some democrats are advocating for reopening society, and are at least hoping for some point in 2021, but the governing body just announced that they're canceling the assemblies in 2022 as well, aiming to restart in 2023. .

they're really milking this 'pandemic', because as soon as things go back to normal that sense of urgency will start to die again, and publisher counts / meeting attendance will go down as well.

i wonder how many jws are suffering form (additional) depression from this as well, because with meetings, assemblies and conventions at least you could see and meet new people, as well as socialize.

FFGhost

It's in the announcements to be read at this week's CLAM meeting. Some folks have already had their CLAM this week.

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the GB has just cancelled the next two years

by neat blue dog in

even some democrats are advocating for reopening society, and are at least hoping for some point in 2021, but the governing body just announced that they're canceling the assemblies in 2022 as well, aiming to restart in 2023. .

they're really milking this 'pandemic', because as soon as things go back to normal that sense of urgency will start to die again, and publisher counts / meeting attendance will go down as well.

i wonder how many jws are suffering form (additional) depression from this as well, because with meetings, assemblies and conventions at least you could see and meet new people, as well as socialize.

FFGhost

My guess is they are hooked on the money they are saving. My guess is in the last few years
assemblies are costing more than they take in.

As noted above, only special conventions are cancelled through 2022, No announcement has been made on "normal" regional conventions.

Conventions are by far the biggest cash cow the WTS has. They make many many MANY millions off the contributions of grateful JWs. There is virtually no expense other than the small "off season" rental of the facility (typically a basketball arena that sits empty for most of the summer) so the profit margin probably exceeds 90%.

And the international "special" conventions are an even BIGGER gobs-of-money-maker. In addition to the contributions from attending JWs, they almost certainly get kickbacks from JW-friendly or even JW-owned travel agencies charging exorbitant rates for JW travelers' airfare, hotels, and transportation.

They will open up regional conventions as soon as possible. They must have absolutely hated to lose the special conventions for 3 years in a row (2020 - 2022).