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  Administering a Blood Transfusion When Directed by a Superior- Jehovah's Witness Policy

  by Ron.W. in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  administering a blood transfusion when directed by a superior - jehovah's witness policy effective june 15th, 2018. while the hospital liasion committee elders were instructed that they may inform doctors and nurses of this decision, this letter was not allowed to be distributed to anyone outside of hlc members.. as a result of the concealment of this letter, and by virtue of the fact that this information was only to be shared verbally with jehovah's witness medical professionals and others, confusion erupted across the united states and in other branch offices of jehovah's witnesses.

  countless letters were received at watchtower headquarters in new york from concerned jw nurses, paramedics, and others who were instructed verbally on this new policy, but which contradicted existing written policy that had been in effect for many decades.. in addition to letters from witness medical professionals, circuit overseers in the field wrote to the us branch and hospital information desk in new york about the problems caused by this unreleased policy.

  for example, south carolina circuit overseer brandon roberts reported to headquarters that "the majority of the nurses in our circuit were not aware of this updated policy.

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  If they put a policy in writing, lawyers can use it against them.
  If they keep it verbal, there's plausible deniability.

  Yes, but also, elders have it forcibly beaten into their heads at every.....friggen....elders....school...

  If it's not in the written directions, you can't DF someone over it. "Do not go beyond the things written" extends (they literally say this) to the written directions of the GB.

  They haven't yet figured out how to the thread the needle of protecting themselves from lawsuits while simultaneously punishing those who would break this edict.
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  Administering a Blood Transfusion When Directed by a Superior- Jehovah's Witness Policy

  by Ron.W. in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  administering a blood transfusion when directed by a superior - jehovah's witness policy effective june 15th, 2018. while the hospital liasion committee elders were instructed that they may inform doctors and nurses of this decision, this letter was not allowed to be distributed to anyone outside of hlc members.. as a result of the concealment of this letter, and by virtue of the fact that this information was only to be shared verbally with jehovah's witness medical professionals and others, confusion erupted across the united states and in other branch offices of jehovah's witnesses.

  countless letters were received at watchtower headquarters in new york from concerned jw nurses, paramedics, and others who were instructed verbally on this new policy, but which contradicted existing written policy that had been in effect for many decades.. in addition to letters from witness medical professionals, circuit overseers in the field wrote to the us branch and hospital information desk in new york about the problems caused by this unreleased policy.

  for example, south carolina circuit overseer brandon roberts reported to headquarters that "the majority of the nurses in our circuit were not aware of this updated policy.

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  Not sure what the difference is in their mind after I do the initial administration. They are still part of the treatment

  Exactly!

  This is what you get when you have

  -- Folks who know nothing about how the medical world works, issuing decrees on medical matters

  -- Folks who have never raised children, issuing decrees on how to raise children

  -- Folks who have never had to work, let alone work hard, issuing decrees on when you should quit your job and "rely on Jehovah"

  -- Folks who have never opened a book on evolution nor made any attempt to understand it, writing books about how "wrong" evolution is

  I could go on listing 20 or 30 more examples, but you get the idea
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  Administering a Blood Transfusion When Directed by a Superior- Jehovah's Witness Policy

  by Ron.W. in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  administering a blood transfusion when directed by a superior - jehovah's witness policy effective june 15th, 2018. while the hospital liasion committee elders were instructed that they may inform doctors and nurses of this decision, this letter was not allowed to be distributed to anyone outside of hlc members.. as a result of the concealment of this letter, and by virtue of the fact that this information was only to be shared verbally with jehovah's witness medical professionals and others, confusion erupted across the united states and in other branch offices of jehovah's witnesses.

  countless letters were received at watchtower headquarters in new york from concerned jw nurses, paramedics, and others who were instructed verbally on this new policy, but which contradicted existing written policy that had been in effect for many decades.. in addition to letters from witness medical professionals, circuit overseers in the field wrote to the us branch and hospital information desk in new york about the problems caused by this unreleased policy.

  for example, south carolina circuit overseer brandon roberts reported to headquarters that "the majority of the nurses in our circuit were not aware of this updated policy.

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  That letter is Splane and/or Morris. More likely the latter, as he served as a medic in the US army and thus likely views himself as some sort of expert on anything "medical".

  Edit: There is a LOT of detail in that Reddit link - there is someone risking a $#!+-ton by leaking all those documents.

  The Reddit author singles out Sanderson in his comments - I can also imagine him as the author / co-author of this policy.

  Edit 2: The more I think about this, the more bizarre it seems. The letter clearly indicates that any JW who "administers" (as noted in the Reddit comments, there's a lot left undefined) a blood transfusion is "an accomplice in a wrong practice" and is "violat[ing] the Scriptures". Yet, they do NOT say that doing so is a DF offense. So, it's "wrong" but not a "serious sin"? As noted in the Reddit comments, they refuse to put this in writing outside of the HLC context, so virtually no elders other than LDC members would ever even know about it, much less know if a JW nurse or doctor did so.

  I don't get it. What's the point of laying down an uncommunicated, unenforceable regulation that carries no outlined consequences for breaking it?
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  No beards...even Jesus! Strange Watchower rule for brothers!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watchtower 1954 p.511 "why do watchtower publications now show jesus with short hair and no beard?

  because he is shown that way in older representations of him that are older then the traditional effeminate looking pictures.".

  watchtower 1968 p.286 "bible evidence and a recent review shows that jesus did have a beard..." charles russell style of beard was popular at bethel...till rutherford took over.

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  Now there are plenty of bearded brothers and elders

  In some parts of Europe, yes. In North America it is still absolutely (unwrittenly? Is that a word?) forbidden if you want to have any "privileges". No elder there would remain an elder if he grew a beard.
  
  
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  Back to the Meetings. It's Offical!

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yep, the vacation is over, it's time to go to work------for free!

  😭😢😓😰😡.

  https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/.

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  Indeed. The BA2 variant should be peaking right about the time of the Memorial, making the Memorials into "super spreader events".

  All the effort of being so cautious for so many years is to be undone in a couple of weeks, all to fluff the ego of the GBers who now insist that things instantaneously go back to "normal", as if the pandemic never happened.
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  Back to the Meetings. It's Offical!

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yep, the vacation is over, it's time to go to work------for free!

  😭😢😓😰😡.

  https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/.

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  Yes, they've now provided instructions for meetings to start up again in 2 weeks.

  All of those Kingdom Halls have been "boarded up" (locked and not in use) for at least 2 years.

  How many of them will be suffering from lack of maintenance? Loose wires, leaky plumbing, utterly dripping with mold. And 2 weeks to get them ready.

  Well, hey, that's a problem for the peons, the GB themselves just have to wait for "someone else" to clean up their own Kingdom Halls.

  And as I've posted here before - the GB is seriously underestimating the amount of resistance that will be encountered at returning to in-person meetings. The first few might be semi-well attended, but after a few months, in-person attendance will drop to 50%, then 25%, maybe even lower - basically, elders and their families.

  Then the hectoring begins. Month after month of JW broadcasts, "local needs" parts, shepherding visits, WT articles, etc. on "not forsaking the gathering of yourselves".

  "The beatings will continue until morale improves"
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  So what did the circuit overseers do during lockdown?

  by ozziepost in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so reading that the dubs are going back to their kingdumb halls got me thinking, i guess they haven’t been getting their regular inspections from thier circuit overseers.

  if they haven’t had their meetings, the inspectors couldn’t visit - or did they?

  i’m intrigued.

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  CO visits, just like all other JW meetings, were done over "Zoom" videoconferencing. Meetings, meetings with elders, field service - all 100% over Zoom, with the CO operating from his CO apartment.

  Yes they were still very much a paid clergy.

  Actually, come to think of it, a lot of them were probably struggling more than usual - without KH meetings, no opportunities for "green handshakes". It would be quite a challenge to live on merely the WTS pittance and the small amount of "expenses" they could reasonably charge the congregations during their visits.
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  Back to the Meetings. It's Offical!

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yep, the vacation is over, it's time to go to work------for free!

  😭😢😓😰😡.

  https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/.

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  And, boom! Just like that, they pulled the announcement. It's no longer on the website.

  No explanation given.

  My first thought, when it appeared on Wednesday, is that some schmuck in Bethel IT pressed the wrong button and a draft copy got posted sooner than they wanted. But then it stayed up 4+ days...a goof up would surely be fixed before 4 days, right? Until Sunday, then one moment it just disappeared.

  The rank & file are reeling a bit. I'd say it was about 50/50 between great joy at the prospect of returning, vs. fear & anxiety & "is it too soon"? Couple that with absolute radio silence to elders & COs about any plan whatsoever, and now apparently it's "oops, never mind, forget we said anything, carry on".

  Something weird is going on at the compound. Anyone have any Warwick contacts who can give us the real story?
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  Robert King aka e-watchman

  by RolRod in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there have been a few post about robert king, the first was 16 years ago, the last was 9 years ago.

  just to the let the old timers here know, he's still at it.

  and for you newbies, robert king who wrote "jehovah himself has become king.

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  Well if a man who can stick tea-spoons to his chest isn't the messiah, I don't know who is.

  Ooh, I know that one!

  If it's not him, then surely it's the Diana Ross "drag" impersonator living in a dumpster who found the subliminal artwork in the Revelation book of a "sleeping black baby Jesus" and determined that that proved he was the Messiah (old timers on this forum will get the reference )
  
  
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  2022-March-English-S-147-Announcements And Reminders!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2022-march-english-s-147-announcements and reminders.. see #4. https://www.filemail.com/d/npkqffhqzlttaly.

  https://we.tl/t-ad3e9y8pdp.

  atlantis!.

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  It all seems so perfunctory and boring.

  You're just now figuring that out?