letter was read at the meeting tonight during the service meeting.
probably because of the dateline thing.. several points brought out, cant remember them all:.
1) sexual abuse is bad.
Letter was read at the meeting tonight during the service meeting. Probably because of the Dateline thing.
Several points brought out, cant remember them all:
1) Sexual abuse is bad
2) Sexual abusers can not hold "teaching positions"
3) There must be 2 witnesses, etc, etc,
there was more, but I cant remember it all.
Scary
its obvious at this point that the wts is covering this thing up.. here is an idea about how we might get the un scandal out to the masses.
materials needed:.
1) 3'x5' un flag ( http://www.flagline.com/countries.html).
Not trying to insult anyone....If news orgs pick it up that would really make my day! I think we should all assume the worst (they won't) and plan accordingly.
Personally *I* feel it is newsworthy, I don't think anyone else will agree with me (except those here)....therefore my statement its not newsworthy stands.
The media will not go with a story that makes the UN look bad. Not with all thats going on in the world. The top dude just won a Nobel prize for crying out loud!
Its unlikely that the media will play the role we want them to, that is for them to "attack" a religous organization. They are not dumb, they know *why* we want them to cover this story. Make up as many reason as you can, in the end we are asking the media to attack the WTS...its just not gonna happen. If for no other reason than for refusal to be a "pawn" in our game.
Look at other news coverage where religous groups were mentioned. It usually involves medical decisions and child welfare issues, mass suicide, or financial fraud. The media never (that I can remember), has attacked a group on this kind of issue.
The points that really drive home the newsworthyness of this story I really think are beyond the comprehension of the average person. Some with christian backgrounds may appreciate them, but that not a very large group.
Again, I hope the press will pick this up for the sake of 6M JW's out there. They deserve to know the truth.
Scary
its obvious at this point that the wts is covering this thing up.. here is an idea about how we might get the un scandal out to the masses.
materials needed:.
1) 3'x5' un flag ( http://www.flagline.com/countries.html).
I too was hoping for more interest in a campaign to bring the UN news to the average JW.
The Flags n Flyers idea was my feeble attempt to start a brainstorming thread on how those of us on this board could get the word out.
Anyone have any other ideas?
Scary
its obvious at this point that the wts is covering this thing up.. here is an idea about how we might get the un scandal out to the masses.
materials needed:.
1) 3'x5' un flag ( http://www.flagline.com/countries.html).
The UN thing is a nail. A nail by itself wont hold the coffin lid closed unless *we* hammer it in. It takes many nails to keep the coffin lid closed for good. NO ONE ON THIS BOARD IS CAPABLE OF HAMERING IN ALL THE NAILS!!! Only the R&F JW can do this.
*** The Truth About the WT & UN ***
The WT joined the UN so they would have some political backing in matters that affect their members (France, Greece, Etc). Nothing wrong with this, the problem is that they denounce the UN in all their teachings.
*** How Can They Explain This to the R&F? ***
A) We joined the UN. When it went public, we quit because it didn't look good. This is the truth, but would cause too many problems.
B) We joined the UN for the above mentioned reasons, there is nothing wrong with this. Wrong answer, when they quit they showed by their actions that there was something wrong with joining the UN....Doh! that won't work.
C) An article will appear in the WT with a paragraph like: "In the past gods organization has worked with humanatarian organizations like the UN/DPI and the united brotherhood of OZ...." the next sentance will read "Wicked apostates hinder Gods organization from helping our brothers in lands where religous freedom is not allowed". This way, those in "camp A" that know nothing about the UN will not blink when presented with the UN thing, it will be easy to dismiss as apostate lies. Those in "Camp B" who know about the UN thing will be able to dismiss it easily. Remember loyal JW's give the benefit of the doubt to the WTS without hesitation. This is the way the WTS will handle the problem IMO. Our goal is to get some of those in "Camp B" to be suspicous and look for more info on the net.
*** What do we need to do? ***
1) Tell the average JW that the WTS joined the UN (#1 goal)
2) Tell the average JW that the WTS quit the UN (not required but nice)
3) We're not talking about 1914, 1975, military service, blood, or anyhting else not related to the UN issue.
*** Concepts ***
1) We want the average JW read the WT article already knowing the facts
2) The more people that know about the UN thing, the more people will question the WTS, this will fuel the rumor mill and begin the cycle of doubt (we need volume)
3) Newspaper articles and news stories would be great, but due to the subject matter its just not newsworthy IMO.
*** Why the Flag n Flyer Campaign Works ***
1) The average JW will see the UN flag and ask WHY would anyone hang a UN flag? Human nature is to be curious....
2) Seeing a flyer with the words UN on it will satisfy the curosity that seeing the UN flag creates...some will follow up
3) The flyers must be ever so carefully prepared. Its about the UN not 1975, 1914 or the color of mars. Simple wording "the WT joined the UN". Not judgemental, not inflamatory, JUST THE FACTS!
4) Placing a UN flag on the KH lawn is inflamatory and may be considered newsworthy (try putting a nazi flag *anyplace* and see how much news gets generated). This is not an disgusting symbol like a nazi flag, but it will be disturbing to some (american flag OK, UN...hmmmm). With luck (or a few well placed phone calls) it may make the news.
Getting a major news story may work, but the flag n flyer campaign is a sure thing.
Scary
its obvious at this point that the wts is covering this thing up.. here is an idea about how we might get the un scandal out to the masses.
materials needed:.
1) 3'x5' un flag ( http://www.flagline.com/countries.html).
Its obvious at this point that the WTS is covering this thing up.
Here is an idea about how we might get the UN scandal out to the masses.
Materials needed:
1) 3'x5' UN flag ( http://www.flagline.com/countries.html)
2) about 100 flyers that contain a brief explanation of the UN story and a pic of the UN resignation letter.
Action Required:
1) On a Saturday evening visit your local KH and attach the UN flag some place very visible (in a difficult to reach spot preferable)
2) Place the flyers near the entrance for the DUBs to pick them up
Optional Actions:
1) Take a picture of the UN flag flying at the KH
2) Phone the largest local newspaper and report the incident
What will be accomplished?
1) A select few dubs will see the flag and wonder whats going on
2) A select few dubs might read the flyer
3) The internal rumor mill will take care of the rest
4) The news story if printed will cement the story
5) IF and this is a big IF, the story gets enough attention local news channels may pick it up.
Remember this is not intended to be vandalism...no property should be damaged and great care should be taken when on KH property. Flyers should be a 8x11 piece of paper folded. No envelopes or other things that may cause a bioterror alarm, we want people to read them not call the bomb squad. Flyers should be secured so that they don't blow all over the yard.
If we band together we could plan this on the same day to maximize the effect accross the world.
comments, suggestions, advice welcome.
scary
hey lets start a thread of quotations from the wt publications that speak of the un and how it should be viewed by loyal jw's.
i think this would be of great benefit for those of us that don't have access to a lot of the publicaiton.
let their own words make them look foolish.... any takers?.
Hey lets start a thread of quotations from the WT publications that speak of the UN and how it should be viewed by loyal JW's. I think this would be of great benefit for those of us that don't have access to a lot of the publicaiton.
Let their own words make them look foolish...
Any takers?
Scary
i just recently learned of the wt's un connection.
like many of you here i am shocked.. does anyone have any wt (or any pub) with statements that spell out the fact that it would be wrong for jw's to be associated with an org like the un.
read between the lines and yes you can get there, i'm looking for concrete statements that make association with the un an issue.. scary
I just recently learned of the WT's UN connection. Like many of you here I am shocked.
Does anyone have any WT (or any pub) with statements that spell out the fact that it would be wrong for JW's to be associated with an org like the UN.
Read between the lines and yes you can get there, I'm looking for concrete statements that make association with the UN an issue.
Scary
need some help from you guys.. i am a divorced jw (ex was never baptized) free to remarry.
i have been seeing a wonderfull christian woman and have moved in with her.
we plan to marry in the spring.
Some good suggestions here. I just want to leave my options open for the future, I basically want to leave on my terms not theirs.
To the best of my knowledge, living with someone and/or marrying out of the truth are NOT DFing offences...am I right? So unless they can prove other wrongdoing they can't DF me? My only concern the the "loose conduct" loophole. I know people in other congs that have been DFed for that, although that was during the early 90's when things were a little more strict.
I was thinking of another tactic of forcing much of this to be done via mail. I'm thinking that avoiding a "face to face" meeting by corresponding by mail for a couple months. IMO its much harder to fight back when sitting in a room alone with 3 elders that want nothing more that to squeeze the juicy details out of you.
Anyway, keep those suggestions coming...
Scary
need some help from you guys.. i am a divorced jw (ex was never baptized) free to remarry.
i have been seeing a wonderfull christian woman and have moved in with her.
we plan to marry in the spring.
Need some help from you guys.
I am a divorced JW (ex was never baptized) free to remarry. I have been seeing a wonderfull Christian woman and have moved in with her. We plan to marry in the spring. I was raised a JW and all my friends and family are JW's, I have decided that this is not the life for me. So I decided to 'drift away' and start a new life outside the org, while not driving all my friends and family away.
Here's my problem. I was living in an apartment owned by a JW family. They caught wind of my new girlfriend and began spying on me. Evidently they saw my girlfriend leaving my apartment early one morning and thought the worst (perverts). Actually my girlfriend commutes to work and leaves at 4:30AM, on the way to work one morning she decided to return my cell phone that I left in her car. My landlord saw her drive off and reported me to the elders and told me I had to move out.
So I moved in with her so we could save more for the wedding and other plans we have. Needless to say I'm now the talk of the town, people that never talked with me at the hall now think its their 'obligation' to help me. The elders have attempted to contact me for weeks now. Tonight I got a letter that said they want to know whats going on. They are right on the verge of sending me a DF letter, so I need to respond to them.
I need some ideas on the best way to respond to them. I don't want a DF and want them to leave me alone. I am doing nothing that would warrant a DF. If they want to publicly reprove me thats ok by me, just leave me alone!
Any ideas?
Scary
