Posts by Konagirl

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Duran - Why would any truly anointed person accept false teachings and teach those teachings to others?

Look at this translation for Matt 24:24-25 – “For false Christs shall arise, and false prophets, and will do wonderful miracles so that if it were possible, even God’s chosen ones would be deceived.”

2 Thess 2: “Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him: We ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be easily upset or troubled, either by a prophecy or by a message or by a letter supposedly from us, alleging that the day of the Lord has come.

“What remarkable events Revelation chapter 12, verses 7 through 17, describes concerning “the Lord’s day” since 1914! W 92/5/1 p 17

Who else but the Wt. has predicted so widely that the “Lord’s day” or that the “day of the Lord” came in 1914?

2 Thess 2: “Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God.”

Sitting indicates ruling with authority. (Luke 22:69) The elder body not anointed, rule over the anointed living stones of God’s spiritual Temple; and apparently, this authority cannot be challenged without suffering consequences.

Reading Ezek 44:6-9 shows what happens when foreigners entered God physical temple, either taking over priestly duties, or simply profaning it by their presence. This is an abomination, and it is occurring once again in the Wt. (2 Chron 13:9; Num 3:10)

1 Cor 3:16,17 - Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and that is what you are.”

2 Thess 2:7 – “The coming of the lawless one is based on Satan’s working, with every kind of miracle, both signs and wonders serving the lie,

False prophets were said to come and work great wonders, miracles and signs, deceiving the elect. Matt 24:24

2 Thess 2: 10 and with every wicked deception among those who are perishing. They perish because they did not accept the love of the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe the lie, 12 so that all will be condemned—those who did not believe the truth but delighted in unrighteousness.

Why would God “send” a strong delusion? Satan has demanded to sift the anointed as “wheat”, all of them from the first century. (Luke 22:31)

Duran – “Your so-called anointed within JW land are not without blemish, and there was deceit in their mouth with those false teachings. Something that would never have happened if they tested what they were being taught before accepting it as true.”

As you said, none of the sealed symbolic “144,000” were deceived. They were found blameless. (Rev 14:4-5) And as you said, this is not so with the remaining remnant of anointed in the last days. They are under a strong delusion of the lie that “Jehovah’s organization”, an idol, will lead them to salvation. (Rom 1:25) God allows this sifting of hearts, this choice of free will, just as was the case in the days of the Pharisees.

The “144,000” sealed anointed did not worship the Beast or its image of “spirit directed” (Rev 13:4,15). Why? The Beast came after their time of testimony during their lifetimes when on earth, resulting in their beheading. When the Beast arose from the abyss, it’s false prophets (Rev 13:11,12) went to work “captivating” the remnant (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10).

So, the 144,000 that never worshipped the Beast had nothing to do with it at all. But, scriptures tell us that the “great crowd” that comes out of the great tribulation spoken of in Matt 24:24,25, gain victory over the Beast.

“Then I saw another great and awe-inspiring sign in heaven: seven angels with the seven last plagues; for with them God’s wrath will be completed. 2 I also saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who had won the victory over the beast, its image, and the number of its name, were standing on the sea of glass with harps from God.” Rev 15:1-2

They were disfellowshipped, spiritually “killed” for their testimony to Christ, (Rev 11:1-7,11,12; Zech 4:11-14) and by that testimony, they gained eternal life. They individually, conquered the devil. (Rev12:10) Do you see that it mentions the “number of its name”? That is the man of lawlessness that sits in the temple of God - the elder body who usurped the role of God's royal priesthood, spoken about in Rev 13:18 and 2 Thess 2:3,4.

Not all anointed priests are willing to lose all that they have gained while in the organization. (Mark 8:35; Jer 5:30-31; Rev 18:4-8) Not all will let go of the idol. Rev 16:13-16

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Vanderhoven7 - Jesus was clearly talking about the stones of the literal temple. Find me one Bible scholar which thinks otherwise. Even the Watchtower admits this.

We know that happened. But in the last days, it was to occur again on a spiritual level. (1 Cor 15:46) The Wt. is responsible for throwing down and scattering “living stones”. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe you never were a JW, is that right? For some who have spent years inside, you come to understand the perils the anointed are facing – that is, after you awake from its delusion. The GB are believed to be anointed (doubt all, in my opinion), “living stones”/ priests/ a “faithful slave/steward”/ of God’s spiritual household. (Luke 12:42; Matt 24:45) Yet, they have barred their brothers and sisters in Christ from working as a body under their Head, while the GB have their own “Gentile” elder body, not anointed, whom they work with. This “body” is under their “head” and direction, the GB, connecting with them; and the GB rely on them to convey their doctrine of men. (Luke 22:24-26) The anointed on the other hand, are threaten from gathering under Jesus Christ, from answering only to his word, to his guidance under Holy Spirit. The sarcastic threats come through statements such as…

“…anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.” W 16 pg 24

Can you imagine the arrogance to tell an anointed one, who experienced Holy Spirit poured into their heart, that they cannot bond and study the word of God with their own spiritual brothers and sisters in Christ? This “unity” and false sense of peace and security (1 Thess 5:3) that the organization strives to maintain under false prophets/christs as their only head, is an evil dichotomy to the unity that God’s anointed priests are to support under Jesus Christ. (1 Cor 12; Rom 12:3-9; Eph 4:1-5)

1 Cor 12:24-26 – “Instead, God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the less honorable, 25 so that there would be no division in the body, but that the members would have the same concern for each other. 26 So if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.”

They have fallen into a trap of a powerful deception. This “steward” is wicked, the “faithful and discreet slave” is wicked. And the anointed have been greatly deceived into supporting it. (Luke 16:1-2; Matt 24:48-51)

Matt 24:24-25 - For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 And unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the [j]elect (“chosen ones” – Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9) those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the [o]elect (“chosen ones”).

25 Behold, I have told you in advance.“

Acts 20:29-31 - “I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Men will rise up even from your own number and distort the truth to lure the disciples into following them. 31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I never stopped warning each one of you with tears.”

2 Pet 2:1-3 – “There were indeed false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved ways, and the way of truth will be maligned because of them. 3 They will exploit you in their greed with made-up stories. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep.

1 Tim 4:1 – “Now the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2 through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared.”

The book of Revelation was written after the destruction of Jerusalem.

Rev 11:1-2 - Then I was given a measuring reed like a rod, with these words: “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count those who worship there. 2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the nations,[c] (“Gentiles”) and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.

The “Gentile” elder body that “represents the priesthood” is a doctrine that cannot be “challenged”. The “holy city” is New Jerusalem, the Temple of God, comprised of “living stones”. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Gal 4:26 The Wt. “Beast” has mentally, spiritually and emotionally, trampled the anointed “saints” through false doctrine, and threats of loss of family and friends, if they dare stand for the teachings of Jesus Christ. (John 16:2; Heb 13:13) Their “daily sacrifices” of praise to be offered from their heart, has been removed and replaced by a counterfeit priesthood in the elder body, who offer sacrifices of praise to an organizational idol, their fortress. (1 Pet 2:5; Heb 13:15; Mal 3:14-15; Dan 11:36,38;8:11,24; Rev 13:1-2,5-7,4) (Dan 8:25; 2 Thess 2:8)

They, who should be the teachers (Mal 2:7) have been symbolically disrobed and silenced, mimicking what a wicked slave and entourage expect them to teach. We have ample proof that anything taught beyond the realm of the Wt., is considered apostasy.

Dan 7:23-25; Rev 11:1-2; Dan 12:11

Vanderhoven7 - Regarding the reference to "this generation" at Luke 21:32, Professor Joel B. Green notes: "In the Third Gospel, 'this generation' (and related phrases) has regularly signified a category of people who are resistant to the purpose of God.

"A category of people". That's a good way to put it, but how broad is that category. We can look at the physical generation of the time of Christ, and we can also consider the two spiritual generations since Gen 3:15. Two seeds at war, that arise or “generate”.

“Our father is Abraham,” they replied. “If you were Abraham’s children,” Jesus told them, “you would do what Abraham did. John 8:39

41 You’re doing what your father does.” “We weren’t born of sexual immorality,” they said. “We have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, because I came from God and I am here. For I didn’t come on my own, but he sent me.

They are part of a generation of vipers. Matt 12:34, two translations:

“You offspring of vipers! How can you speak good things when you are evil (wicked)? For out of the fullness (the overflow, the superabundance) of the heart the mouth speaks.”

“O generation of vipers, how can you speak good things, whereas you are evil? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.”

“You are of your father the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8:44

Those who rightfully have as their Father, God, are of a righteous generation.

Hallelujah!
Happy is the person who fears the Lord,
taking great delight in his commands.
2 His descendants will be powerful in the land;
the generation of the upright will be blessed. Psalm 112:1-2

We are the physical offspring of our father and mother, one generation.

We can choose our Father, God, and our mother, the new covenant/promise of life fulfilled in the completed Temple, with the Bride of Christ. (Gal 4:24,26,31; Rev 21:2), and be born of God's Spirit, or…we can choose Satan as our father, and the covenant promise of death – Babylon the Great, as our “mother”, and be born of Satan's spirit. (Isa 28:15,18)

Each comprise one spiritual generation - a "crooked and twisted generation" - Deut 32:5; Acts 2:40

Or, a righteous generation in imitation of God. Eph 5:1; Phil 2:15

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

"These stones" can not come down again; the armies (abomination) that caused such desolation are long gone; those in Judaea will not have to flee to the hills again or be slain by swords or shipped off to all nations where they are today.

Not literal stones, but chosen "living stones" of God's spiritual temple. The abomination in today's spiritual Temple (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) is the man of lawlessness "standing where it doesn't belong". (Ezek 44:6-9; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3-4; Rev 11:1-2)

“Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth.

“Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Jehovah’s spirit is upon them; they have his approval.” ( w02 8/1 p. 13)

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

Duran - Absolutely too much emphasis. If their claim to fame (to being appointed the f&ds) in 1919 is a false teaching, then what basis is there to think that Jesus has anything more or less to do with them than any of all the other so-called Christian faiths?

I understand, since in comparison to other religions, it's not nearly as prominent. Their claim to fame is bogus, as is their doctrine, BUT, there was just enough truth to lead all the anointed over the years into its trap, into “Babylon”. The Wt. has described correctly the “royal priesthood” as “living stones” of the spiritual temple of God; yet even that truth has been changed recently into a lie. Now, thanks to G. Losch who promotes it, all JWs are part of this spiritual temple. Do they realize that would make all JWs, priests? I never said Jesus had interest in the organization, except to see its downfall. (2 Thess 2:7-8; Rev 13:1-2,18; 19:20) His first interest is his appointed priesthood – the anointed chosen by God, which are held captive by its lies. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; John 15:16; Matt 16:18; 1 Cor 3:16; 6:19-20; Eph 2:20-22; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 3:18) Jesus also is calling out all JWs who are residing in spiritual captivity under “harlots”, those of God’s people who have broken their covenant with Christ, to enter a new one – “Babylon the Great”. (Isa 28:14-19; Rev 13:11,12; 17:1-6;18:4-8)

The proof that there are any genuine anointed in the Wt.? When you are genuinely anointed, it’s not a mere “feeling” that you will be going to heaven, or that you “just know it”, it is a supernatural experience. The genuine anointed in the organization are told NOT to talk about their anointing, and JWs are dissuaded from asking. This should raise a red flag. Why can't they? It isn't scriptural, but pure slavery to the will men. (2 Cor 11:20; Gal 1:10) The early priests and kings were anointed with holy oil. They felt it run down their beard and their garments as Psalm 133:2 poetically tells us. God’s holy priesthood under Christ are anointed with Holy Spirit that permeates every fiber of one’s being, as if symbolic warm oil pours from above, filling one’s heart with indescribable love and peace. (Rom 5:5) Neither God, Jesus nor His Spirit are inactive in this time period. I know anointed ones from the Wt, and I was anointed when a young woman just entering the org. Our experiences were very similar, but still tailored to the individual. The organization was the inspiration of the adversary, with the intention to destroy those belonging to Christ. (1 Pet 5:8; Matt 7:15; 24:24-25; Acts 20:29-31) Wasn’t Jesus hunted by Herod, and he killed all the children ages 2 and under, hoping that Jesus was among them? (Matt 2:16) Didn’t Jesus tell his disciples NOT to go door to door? (Luke 10:5-7) Yet, what do JWs pride themselves in, but going “house to house”?

The Kingdom will not arrive until the temple built with “living stones” is complete… (Zech 4:4-8; Rom 8:19; Rev 13:7; Dan 7:19-21) …when those priests who submit to the will of God, walk in the path that Christ took, losing family and friends for their testimony to truth, submit to refinement through God’s word, are then sealed into the heavens. (Matt 25:1-13; Heb 12:22) Satan knows this, and he’s doing everything he can to stop the process, because they are part of Christ’s spiritual body, the Temple of God under the new covenant. (Gal:4:26) (1 Cor 10:17; 12:13-14) The loss of Satan’s own kingdom is at stake, so in the last days, he uses deceit to take captive the anointed, over the lifetime of the Wt. (Rev 16:13-16; 20:7-9)

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Konagirl

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.

Luke 17:20 - Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation”.

observation – “inspection, ocular evidence”.

If we take these words as the truth that they are, then Jesus is not talking about literal earthquakes or wars among nations to be observed, or to keep our eyes on. There are two sets of signs, one that Jesus is speaking about, and one that creates a diversion tactic, a deterrent from the real “war” and real “earthquakes” that affect an individual. Real, meaning the spiritual, not the physical. 1 Cor 2:14 “The whole world lies in the power of the wicked one” 1 John 5:19. Although the earth is bound to have earthquakes anyway, Satan can also create his own set of signs that requires observation. The Wt. has set up a kingdom, that can be observed and revered. But Jesus said right after Luke 17:20 - “ nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.” That’s not something that can be observed, but only felt. We see Satan’s power at work in the book of Job. He can also convince people to look for those physical signs, through the mouths of his “ministers” – false teachers/prophets. 2 Cor 11:13-15

In Luke 21, the very first thing that Jesus tells us is that false teachers/ prophets will arise saying “the time is at hand”, and they will appear to represent Christ. He says, don’t go after them (Luke 21:8); but guess what, those who became JWs, certainly did go after them; especially the “elect”/saints/anointed priests-kings, which was prophesied to happen. Matt 7:15; 24:24,25; Luke 22:31; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10

He then mentions wars, famine, earthquakes. But he says, “But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.“ Luke 21:12-13

For the sake of Jesus Christ, not for being a JW. John 16:2,3

So, we’re back to the presence of false prophets (because it mentions religious synagogues/”congregations”), and what they do to those who reject their teachings. If, in the organization we stand up for the words of Christ over the words of the GB, what happens? We are “brought before” the ruling elders under the authority of anointed “kings” (Rev 5:9,10), “governors”. Luke 21:12-13; Matt 10:18; Luke 22:24-26 We give our testimony to Christ’s teachings, we expose the lies in the same manner that Jesus did.

And, what comes next does happen as a result:

“You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 17 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake.” Luke 21:16-17

If the signs are spiritual, then this “death” in this day, is through disfellowshipping. (Rev 13:11,12,15)

17 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake.”

Those “apostates” who leave the lies and reject the organization as belonging to God, are certainly hated. If we use the words of Jesus, the scriptures, to refute the lies when before a judicial committee, the hammer comes down. (John 16:2; Rev 13:10,15)

So what kind of earthquakes is Jesus talking about? The tremors and upheaval in the “soil”/earth of our heart when we find out we were serving the lie. Our heart undergoes change. Heb 12:27 And “earthquakes” that come from God, a shaking of His people. Matt 13:18-23; Hos 10:12; Isa 7:2; Isa 52:2; Amos 9:9; Jer 31:33

And the wars? Jesus faced a war in his day against the Pharisees, a war of his truth against their lies. Luke 20:20; Mark 3:1,2; John 8:13-14,23-24,39-47

It was a decision-making war for all who heard his message. Joel 3:14 Don’t we also see this today? There is the term coined, “the Vast Apostate Army”, dedicated to bring down the Wt. About the apostates, D. Splain himself said, "Brothers and Sisters, this is war”.

The two “Beasts” that “kill” any who refuse to worship it, (Rev 13:5,8), “make war with the saints”. (Rev 13:7)

And there, is the war that Jesus was talking about that happens to the anointed in the last days. Sure, the world is physically suffering from wars, but as Paul said, our war is spiritual, not carnal. There are anointed ones very active outside the organization, using God’s Word to tear down the GB’s lies. 1 Cor 11:19; 2 Cor 10:3-6 Those that remain inside the organization, believe in watching and counting the earthquakes and wars that they can observe, expecting the Kingdom to arrive any minute, but they are totally blind to the trap that they believe is their salvation. Amos 5:18

Oh, and famine - “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord God,
“That I will send a famine on the land,
Not a famine of bread,
Nor a thirst for water,
But of hearing the words of the Lord. Amos 8:11

So, am I putting to much emphasis on the Watchtower? There are a remnant of genuine anointed who are the target of deception. They belong to Christ, they are his kings of the earth/priests. (Rev 1:5,6; 1 Pet 2:5,9) Just as Satan was trying to deceive and destroy Christ, he is also wanting to destroy the members of Christ’s body…using deceit through the mouths of false prophets/teachers.

“I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, something like frogs; 14 for they are spirits of demons, performing signs; which go out to the kings of the whole inhabited earth, to gather them together for the war of that great day of God, the Almighty.

15 “Behold, I come like a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his clothes, so that he doesn’t walk naked, and they see his shame.”

16 He (the dragon) gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew, “Megiddo”.

Armageddon

Luke 22:31-32

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Do the WTBTS & JW ORG speak in Jehovah's name?

by BoogerMan in

(deuteronomy 18:20,22) “‘if any prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name that i did not command him to speak...that prophet must die.

when the prophet speaks in the name of jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then jehovah did not speak that word.

the prophet spoke it presumptuously.

Konagirl

"Bible chronology and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy provide ample proof that this time period began in 1914. Thus before the 1914 generation completely dies out, God’s judgment must be executed."

"You've just lost - God's approval!"

1914, their appointed "time" that has led to altering "times" over and over again.

"He’ll speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints (anointed) of the Highest One. He’ll attempt to alter times and laws, and they’ll be given into his control for a time, times, and half a time. 26 Nevertheless, the court will convene, and his authority will be removed, annulled, and destroyed forever." Dan 7:24-26

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The Watchtower—Study Edition | July 2023

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

study article 31.

“be steadfast, immovable”.

11 at times, we might reason that the direction jehovah gives us is not sufficient.

Konagirl

Jehovah gives us clear direction through his Word and through his organization. We have no reason to add to the instruction he provides. (Prov. 3:5-7) Therefore, we do not go beyond what is written in the Bible or make rules for fellow believers about personal matters.

Who really is providing the instructions? God? Quotes like this are just plain sickening. They DID AND DO, go beyond what is written in the Bible.

Lev 26:1 - "You shall not make idols for yourselves; neither a carved image nor a sacred pillar shall you rear up for yourselves; nor shall you set up an engraved stone in your land, to bow down to it; for I am the Lord your God."

Literally and symbolically, they have done this. Their sacred pillar standing at Bethel represents their organization. Their “engraved stone” is their logo, which is the door that opens to their lies. Interestingly, the dichotomy is Jesus, the Logos, the Word of truth from the Almighty God. John 1:1-5; 10:7-10

Exod 20:4a “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.

The organization is built in the likeness of all other organizations in the earth, below the heavens.

“Jehovah and his organization” - They have paired their perception of God, with corruption. What blasphemy.

Isaiah 46: 5-10 “To whom will you liken Me, and make Me equal
And compare Me, that we should be alike?
6 They lavish gold out of the bag,
And weigh silver on the scales;
They hire a goldsmith, and he makes it a god;
They prostrate themselves, yes, they worship.
7 They bear it on the shoulder, they carry it
And set it in its place, and it stands;
From its place it shall not move.
Though one cries out to it, yet it cannot answer
Nor save him out of his trouble.

8 “Remember this, and show yourselves men;
Recall to mind, O you transgressors.
9 Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure’

Who really wants to be like God, and prefers to lie over telling us the truth? John 8:44

Who loves to offer riches and power and authority from this world, to wield over others? Luke 4:5-7

Ancient Israel was led into idolatry more times than one can number. Spirit “Israel”/anointed/”saints” have been led into idolatry as well. Matt 24:24-25; 2 Cor 11:3-4,13-15; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:4-7,10-12

"So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast ("Jehovah's organization") ; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

Doesn't this "beast" spiritually "kill" people who do not revere "Jehovah's organization"?

Rev 13:15 - "He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast ("spirit-directed organization") should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed."

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NOBODY can get Holy Spirit - except via the G.B.....

by BoogerMan in

...according to bro.

tony evans, district overseer, @ the voyager school assembly, peterborough, uk 10-2-13:.

"jehovah does not give holy spirit, apart from the scriptures.

Konagirl

"Jehovah does not give Holy Spirit, apart from the Scriptures. Now that's the first thing. The second thing is, Jehovah does not provide wisdom through Holy Spirit apart from the Faithful & Discreet Slave Class.* We're just going to pause there and review those two main points; the conscience is a gift from God, but in order for it to work as he designed it, we need to be good students of God's word, because He's not going to impart Holy Spirit to us apart from the Scriptures, and He isn't going to impart that Holy Spirit - there is no wisdom from God apart from the Faithful & Discreet Slave class. We want a good conscience that is going to guide us the right way."

Pure foolishness.

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor 2:12-14

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Study Article 22

by Jerryh in

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Konagirl

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Does the Governing Body already know that Jehovah (the name) came from Babylon the Great?

by Chevelle in

i'll start by stating the obvious... according to the watchtower, the catholic church is a huge part of babylon the great which is led by satan and his demons.

raymundus martini, a catholic monk (who "represents" babylon the great to some extent), woke up one day in the 13th century and decided to alter yhwh so it can be easily pronounced.

hence the spanish-ish version of yhwh was created... jehova... (sounds something like this in spanish: heh-o-va).

Konagirl

"According to the Watchtower, the Catholic Church is a huge part of Babylon the Great which is led by Satan and his demons. Raymundus Martini, a Catholic Monk (who "represents" Babylon the Great to some extent), woke up one day in the 13th Century and decided to alter YHWH so it can be easily pronounced. Hence the SPANISH-ish version of YHWH was created... Jehova... (sounds something like this in Spanish: Heh-O-Va)"

Apparently, the alteration goes back even further.