Posts by Konagirl

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God won't lift a finger to help you.

by nicolaou in

sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

pathetic diversion.

Konagirl

nicalaou - Pathetic diversion. We were discussing Gods refusal or inability to come to the aid of people with specific illnesses or those in imminent danger. Try to focus.

I do understand why you are feeling this way, especially coming out of the organization that taught nothing but lies about God and Jesus. (Matt 24:24-25) But you're asking for a partial remedy. Christ is the complete remedy. Through him, God does have a plan that is coming to fruition. And He does see the good in all who try to fight against a power that is greater than they are. His focus through the Bible has been to help the abused, poor and needy, not the arrogant who rob them. And that is still His focus today. Matt 5:3-10

Job suffered severely, and questioned why God would cause such harm to him, but the scriptures tell us that it was Satan, who demanded to “sift” Job as “wheat”. (Luke 22:31; Matt 3:12; 13:30) We know this horrendous situation on the earth is not by the hand of God, but by the hand of Satan. (Luke 4:5-7; 1 John 5:19) Christ conquered “the world”. He conquered Satan’s lust to kill and destroy him by God raising him to life – eternally. We each have to conquer evil by turning to Christ, who is truth. (Rev 12:7-11) When I read God’s answers to Job, it is very clear that He is quite able to rescue us from the horrors around us. He does not turn His back on what takes place on this earth. It is His plan on His timetable, to bring about the end of lies, violence, pain and destruction on His terms…through His Son, who is the perfect representation of God. (Heb 1:3) The Wt presents false prophesies one after another, giving their timetable of their perverted Armageddon and their paradise. More than likely they are now mocking God by muttering “Let Him make speed and hasten His work, That we may see it; And let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw near and come,
That we may know it.” These ones are described as drawing “iniquity with cords of vanity,
And sin as if with a cart rope. Isa 5:18-19

And that mocking against God, is something I keep in mind when reading Job, chapters 38-41 This part is quite telling in chapter 40:

Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said:

2 “Shall the one who contends with the Almighty correct Him?
He who rebukes God, let him answer it.”

3 Then Job answered the Lord and said:

4 “Behold, I am vile;
What shall I answer You?
I lay my hand over my mouth.
5 Once I have spoken, but I will not answer;
Yes, twice, but I will proceed no further.”

6 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:

7 “Now prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me:

8 “Would you indeed annul My judgment?
Would you condemn Me that you may be justified?
9 Have you an arm like God?
Or can you thunder with a voice like His?
10 Then adorn yourself with majesty and splendor,
And array yourself with glory and beauty.
11 Disperse the rage of your wrath;
Look on everyone who is proud, and humble him.
12 Look on everyone who is proud, and bring him low;
Tread down the wicked in their place.
13 Hide them in the dust together,
Bind their faces in hidden darkness.
14 Then I will also confess to you
That your own right hand can save you.”

Romans 8:19-22; Psalm 110:1-2; 2 Cor 10:3-5; Eph 6:12; Cor 15:20-26; Isa 33:1

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Has the Organization threatened to disfellowship those who state views countering those of the Slave?

by Vanderhoven7 in

do you have quotations from watchtower literature regarding how to handle those contributing to disunity in the congregation?.

Konagirl

Here’s an interesting quote:

“UNITY in the Christian congregation is vital. Disunity in doctrinal belief would give rise to fierce disputes, dissension, and even enmity. (Acts 23:6-10)) The Bible says that “God is a God, not of disorder, but of peace.” (1 Corinthians 14:33_) Hence, Christians are admonished to speak in agreement and to be united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.—(1 Corinthians 1:10)” g98 2/8 p. 13

Speak in agreement to whatever doctrinal belief that is "unique to Jehovah's Witnesses", being served on the menu at the time.

“Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, INCLUDING those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses.” W 86/4/1 pg 30-31

The leadership does not accept “ the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible”, simply because they include and choose their own “unique” doctrine of men, as more important than the Bible.

“If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not devote himself to the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness, 4 he is conceited, understanding nothing, but having a morbid interest concerning controversies and disputes about words, from which come envy, strife, slanders, evil suspicions, 5 constant wrangling by people of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who consider godliness to be a means of gain.” 1 Tim 6:3-5

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Has the Organization threatened to disfellowship those who state views countering those of the Slave?

by Vanderhoven7 in

do you have quotations from watchtower literature regarding how to handle those contributing to disunity in the congregation?.

Konagirl

BoogerMan - Awesome answer!

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No need for Judicial Committees now!

by BoogerMan in

for jw's who sin, just listen, obey, & be blessed by the current "slave's" direction from a few years ago.. after all, they do speak for jehovah & christ, don't they?

no need to to confess anything to elders.. w00 6/15 pp.

16-17 pars.

Konagirl

Wow. Obviously, they have lost all respect for God handling the situation by their statement in the August 24,2024 , pg 25.

And…they have song called “Shepherds – Gifts in Men”?

“Help in our lives, Jehovah provides, Shepherds to tend his flock. By their example they serve as guides, Showing us how to walk.”

Do these elders walk in the way of Christ, or in the way of men? Do they suffer persecution as he did? Are they treated as scum of the world as the apostles were treated? Do they only follow his teachings? Or are they exalted, honored, given privileges, titles, and obedience from all JWs, for following the doctrine of men? (2 Tim 3:12; Matt 5:12; 10:22; 24:9; John 16:2)

And how are the anointed to be treated? They are to be humble, quiet, submissive, slaves of men. (2 Cor 11:20; Gal 1:10)

Eph 4 -
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in [c]you all.

7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:

“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”

And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.”

The “body of Christ” is the spiritual temple of God.

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.”

And this “temple” is the holy priesthood, “living stones”, the “saints”, the anointed. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22) They, are whom Jesus has given gifts to men. But their offerings of these gifts, has been taken away by a wicked slave and those whom these false prophets have chosen to be their mouthpiece of lies. (Mark 13:14; Matt 24:24-25,48-51; Rev 13:1-2)

“Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions. (Hebrew 13:7,17) How can that be?” W02/8/1 pg 13

It can’t be. Would God reject His own Son and the members of His Son’s spiritual body? Would God disregard His plan for building a spiritual temple in people, men and women, to serve Him, His Son and all of His future children in the Kingdom? Would He choose this corrupt organization bursting with vile deeds enacted against men, women, children, and His chosen anointed, over His own plan? (Rom 8:19-22; Gal 4:26-28; Rev 21:2-4)

But the Wt. tells us all authority has been given to men that liars have chosen to support their corrupt organization/idol. (Rev 13:3-4;15-17)

“Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Their record of faithful service, often over many decades, inspires our trust.” W02/8/1 pg 13

Okay, so the elders rule and are given the bogus right to judge, which cannot be challenged, not even by those God has spiritually chosen to serve the needs of His children. (Matt 28:18-20; John 21:17; 13:20; 1 Cor 6:1-4)

Just reading the daily text for today is disgusting. “Jehovah and his organization” built with a body elders, rules. No mention whatsoever of Jesus Christ. "The more we get to know Jehovah, the more we will trust in him and the organization that he has provided to help us." - daily text

Daniel 8:25 - “Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes;

Against Jesus Christ, himself.

But he shall be broken without human means.”

1 Cor 3:16-17 – “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.”

2 Thess 2:3-4,8-10 - “Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple,

(Ruling over the anointed - “Representing the royal priesthood”.)

“proclaiming himself to be God. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.”

Rev 13:5-7 – “The beast was given a mouth to utter boasts and blasphemies. It was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. 6 It began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme his name and his dwelling—those who dwell in heaven. 7 And it was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. It was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.”

A challenge is a call to war. Wt and its leadership is playing with fire, and they will get burned. Jer 23:29; Rev 19:20

I hope all elders, all JWs leave wickedness behind.

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"Slave" is confused about the start of judgment!

by BoogerMan in

(1 peter 4:17) "...it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of god.".

w04 3/1 p. 16 par.

15 - "....christ jesus...in 1918, he came to god’s spiritual temple and fulfilled peter’s words: “it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of god.” (1peter 4:17).

Konagirl

Well, the “house of God” is defined in Isa 43:10; 2 Peter 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16-17; Eph 2:20-22 – the anointed priesthood and spiritual temple of God. And the large majority today, are still found in the Wt., being led by such confusing teachings that you presented.

But, interestingly, their “1000 years”, their “peaceful” reign of Christ AFTER Armageddon, is also referred to as a time of judgment – “Judgment Day” (Bible Teach, pgs 213-215) . So, why are JWs being judged twice? No wonder they tolerate Wt lies, thinking that they have a thousand years to straighten themselves out.

Since the first century…

Matt 10:34 -37 -
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

Heb 4:12 – “For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.”

Col 2:8 – “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.”

Matt 24:24-25 – “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect (anointed). 25 See, I have told you beforehand.”

Psalm 55:21 – “His talk is smooth as butter, yet war is in his heart; his words are more soothing than oil, yet they are drawn swords.”

Rev 16:13-16 - And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, (organization) and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth ( Christ’s kings, Rev 1:5; 5:9-10) and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”

16 And they gathered them together (the "saints") to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.

1 Tim 4:1 – “Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons”

Every lie, every failed doctrine that Watchtower and its leaders have told, are not from Christ who is Truth, the Word (John 1:1), but from “deceiving” and very convincing, spirits”.

2 Cor 10 4-5 – “For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ”

Eph 5:6-7 – “Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.”

1 Cor. 10:21-22 – “You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and of the table of demons. 22 Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than He?”

Armageddon is a battle of Christ’s truth against the lies of false prophets who deceive, “take captive” with false doctrine, empty words, empty philosophy, and “surround” “the elect”/”saints”. Luke 21:20,24; 2 The ss 2:3-4; Rev 11:1-2; Rev 20:7-9

God told Israel through Jeremiah, "This is what the Lord of Armies says: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are deluding you. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the Lord’s mouth." Jer 23:29

But what does Wt say? Don't be picky when it comes to your spiritual food. Eat it without complaining.

2 Cor 11: 13-15 - “For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.”

The Wt. is what, 150 years old? It has changed the whole dynamics of God’s word to convincing millions into devoting their lives to a blasphemous lie – “Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization”. Zech 5:5-11; Luke 22:24-27; Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:1-2, 4,5-7,11-12,15-17; Rev 18:4-8

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"You Can't Handle The Truth!"

by FragrantAddendum in

...or can you?.

(we'll see...).

https://youtu.be/ckk850qhgws.

Konagirl

"Benefactors"/GB in Luke 22:25. In the CSB version, Matt 20:25 and Mark 10:42 both use the term "tyrants".

Isaiah 13:11 - I will punish the world for its evil, and wicked people for their iniquities. I will put an end to the pride of the arrogant and humiliate the insolence of tyrants.

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"You Can't Handle The Truth!"

by FragrantAddendum in

...or can you?.

(we'll see...).

https://youtu.be/ckk850qhgws.

Konagirl

@NotFormer - Konagirl, your post got me thinking. The GB actually IS mentioned in scripture, just not the way they say they are:

Jeremiah 23:1 "Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!” declares Jehovah"

That’s really a good point, and the sheep are scattered for various reasons. In the May broadcast the elder brought out that it is the elder body who are the good shepherds, and GB as the wonderful faithful slave providing nourishing food. So, why would the sheep be scattered if God’s sheep are said to be well cared for?

In my opinion, if there are any good, compassionate loving elders, they don’t usually remain in the organization. The bulk, the majority, stay in it for selfish reasons. If they are being called the shepherds, the truth is, they put their concerns ahead of the flock. And we see that in cases of abuse; the victims are tossed aside, scattered to fend on their own. We see it in the total blocking of family from helping those they love in the cases of disfellowshipping.

The sheep are scattered because of men’s waffling doctrines. What are they going to “eat” for the day? Where do they look? The sheep in the organization walk in darkness, not knowing what the new day of “new light” will bring in the form of nourishment. And all that so-called “light” turns out to be complete darkness. It’s totally the opposite of laying down in green pastures and quiet waters of refreshment provided through God’s Son. Those scriptures in Psalm 23:1-3 say “He guides me along the right paths…”

Jesus is the “fine Shepherd” and that elder in the video mentioned him only once, at the very end of his presentation. Jesus tells us that his words are light and life. (John 8:12; Psalm 119:130; Eph 4:14) He said that it is the thief that robs and destroys all the promises held out in his word, through the teaching of men’s doctrine requiring continual new adjustments that must be obeyed. This is because it is a worldly organization of men, and it is not from God. (Acts 7:41; Rom 1:25; Acts 7:48-50; 17:24-25,29; Heb 9:11,24; John 4:23-24)

He told those apostles whom he chose and all who are anointed by Holy Spirit, to teach everyone, “all that I have commanded you”. (Matt 28:20) That would involve properly feeding his sheep as he told Peter to do. (John 21:17) And of course he wouldn’t include the policies needed to run an efficient earthly organization built with money robbed from its victims. (Matt 6:19-21,24) But a wicked slave has beat down any of Christ’s anointed, shutting their mouth to the job they should be doing, the job that the elder body has robbed them of, by “representing the royal priesthood”. (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Matt 24:48-51; Mark 13:14; Rev 11:1,2; 1 Cor 3:16-17)

All JWs have the right to question anyone who claims to be anointed. But they’re told by the governing body, not to ask them about their anointing, or told they might be emotionally unbalanced, or not genuine…but these regulations are not directed to the governing body. If all JWs knew what an authentic anointing is all about, then they could spot the fakes.

Yes, as you say the sheep are scattered. False christs, false prophets (Matt 24:24-25) have misled the sheep to put their trust in them, and not in the words of Jesus Christ, the Word of God and the fine Shepherd sent by God. It really gives us a better understanding to the parable of the lost sheep, the leaving of the “99” to find the one lost sheep. (Matt 18:12-13; 11:28) This is our opportunity to listen to HIS voice and follow HIM. John 10:27

Jesus said again, “Truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep didn’t listen to them. 9 I am the gate. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will come in and go out and find pasture. 10 A thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come so that they may have life and have it in abundance.

I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 The hired hand, since he is not the shepherd and doesn’t own the sheep, leaves them and runs away when he sees a wolf coming. The wolf then snatches and scatters them. 13 This happens because he is a hired hand and doesn’t care about the sheep. “I am the good shepherd. I know my own, and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me, and I know the Father. I lay down my life for the sheep.” John chapter 10

These are wonderful scriptures that the elder in the video chose not to mention.

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"You Can't Handle The Truth!"

by FragrantAddendum in

...or can you?.

(we'll see...).

https://youtu.be/ckk850qhgws.

Konagirl

* "Lies are truth"

** "Hate is love"

*** "Flawed is perfection"

**** "Selfishness is generosity"

It reminds me of Isaiah 5:20-23:

“How terrible it will be for those who call evil good
and good evil,
who substitute darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who substitute what is bitter for what is sweet
and what is sweet for what is bitter!”

21 “How terrible it will be for those who are wise in their own opinion,
and clever in their own reckoning!

22 “How terrible it will be for those who are heroes at drinking wine,
and champions in mixing strong drink,
23 who acquit the guilty for a bribe,
and deprive the innocent of justice!”

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Still Confused About The FDS

by NotFormer in

this was prompted by another thread where it was revealed that the gb were referred to as "our future kings" in a wt video.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4911685446402048/fun-moment.

if i've got it right, the 144,000 are (or were until recently) the fds.

Konagirl

“As usual, I'm terribly confused by all of this. Have I managed to get any of it right?”

You must really mean, has the GB gotten anything right? For those who leave the organization, it requires a new wineskin to hold new wine. Matt 9:17

Who "inherit" the earth? We know it's the “meek” and the “righteous” inherit the earth. (Psalm 37:22,29) Is not Jesus Christ righteous? (1 Cor 1:30) Are not those men and women chosen to be his “bride”, and actually follow him and obey him (not obeying men and their false doctrine)…would they not be found “righteous” as well? (Rom 5:19) As a new creation, they are both human and spirit, having access to the “heavens” and the earth. (Gen 28:10-17; 22:17-18; John 1:51; 2 Cor 5:17; 1 Cor 15:40-49; Rev 21:1-2; Rev 5:9,10)

A “two-tiered” system is elemental and harsh. God has a family in mind. He is the Father of all who turn to Him and His Word. Jesus is also called a father. (Isa 9:6). Those anointed who “remain” in him, (John 15:4; 1 John 2:28) (or they return to him in repentance once awakened from captivity to lies – Matt 24:24-25; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10, 7,15, 4, 3:18; John 16:2; Mark 10:28-30; 8:35; Luke 22:32; 1 Pet 4:12-13; Heb 13:13)…

…are referred to as not only as his “brothers”/”brethren” (brother in Greek is two connected words meaning ‘from the same womb’), but also his bride under the new covenant of life, whether they are men or women. (2 Cor 11:2; Eph 5:25) This new covenant, the promise of eternal life, is the “mother of us all”, New Jerusalem. (Gal 4:26)

Jesus is the second Adam (1 Cor 15:45); his “bride” of brothers, sisters chosen under the new covenant represent this covenant/“mother”. (Gal 4:22-28; 3:28-29) The early priesthood was given the job of caring for the needs of Israel, ministering, judging and teaching them the word of God. (1 Chron 6:49; Mal 2:7; Matt 28:19-20; 2 Cor 5:20-21; Rom 15:15-16; 1 Cor 6:1-6) That too, was a “family”, not an organization as the Wt calls it. God called all Israel His children. There was no mention of “staying close to Jehovah’s organization” in those days. It was, stay close and listen to God and His word. Anything else was considered idolatry. And guess who else was there whom they were to listen to? Jesus, as the “Logos” – (Exod 23:20-23; Matt 17:5; John 1:1-4)

The anointed priesthood can only serve as priests/kings if they are able to walk among all of God’s children in the Kingdom. Wt. once said that the anointed will minister as priests in heaven, but how that will be done “remains to be seen”. Well, it was already made known in the scriptures. This is why Jesus said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see the heavens opened and the angels (meaning “messengers”/priests - Mal 2:7) of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man.” John 1:51; Gen 28:10-17; 22:17-18.

Since “144,000” is symbolic, then whatever that number comes to when fulfilled, is up to God. The “great crowd” (“great” in power, not number, Matt 5:19) is another segment of that number, who wake up, are “killed” for their testimony of Christ, are sealed, and serve God in His temple "day and night”. (Rev 11:1-3,7-12; Rev 12:11; 7:13-15) They wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb, because they were liars and idolaters…coming from the organization/Beast directed by of false prophets. (Matt 24:24-25; 7:15-20; Rev 13:11,12) Once sealed and once the Kingdom arrives, they are priests/kings and join the “144,000” from the 12 tribes of “Israel”.

But look where this last bunch come from: Rev 5:9,10 - And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign ON THE EARTH.”

They are “living stones” and the last remnant that are added to God’s spiritual temple. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22; Zech 4:7-8)

There are two groups of anointed – the first group never “worshiped the Beast” of Revelation 13. They were “blameless”. (Rev 14:4-5; 20:4) The smaller second group, the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”, (Rev 12:1-4,7,17) were taken captive by the “empty philosophy” of false christs, false prophets, just as it was foretold to happen in the last days. (Matt 24:24-25; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1)

Where do we see most of them still? Who boasts that the anointed are in their organization, and that it belongs to “Jehovah”. Yep, in the Wt.,the “Beast”, that spiritually “kills” all who defy it, who discard its “mark” as a “Jehovah’s Witness” who are owned by an organization. (Rev 13:4,15-17) This “great crowd” that overcomes deceit are spoken as victorious over the Beast. (Rev 15:2) Do we really think that the “great crowd” is victorious over the United Nations? And if these ones are victorious, then there was a war they were fighting. (Rev 13:5-7; 16:13-16 – “kings of the earth” belong to Jesus Christ, Rev 1:5; 5:10 They are not kings/rulers of the political world)

You have to fight and win to be victorious - the truth of Christ against the lies of the false prophets that took them captive into their net, called “truth”. (Rev 13:1-2,4,11-14; Hab 1:14-17; Matt 13:47-48) Are JWs fighting for the truth of God, or do they refer everyone to the website, or leave in a rush when confronted with their teachings? It also has nothing to do with JWs standing in a field and waiting for Jesus and his “brothers” to come swooping down with weapons to kill the armies of the nations. The Wt. is a “stronghold” of lies. That’s what we fight against. (2 Cor 10:4-6) This war has everything to do with what comes out of the mouth, and standing up for Jesus Christ and the word of God. (Luke 6:43-45)

The FDS? Christ makes that call when he returns. (Matt 25:14-30)

If any of these scriptures seem out of place, please let me know! Thanks.

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How does the Govering Body get enlightenment?

by no-zombie in

from the earliest of times of the catholic church's ecumenical councils were used to make major changes to its doctrinal direction.

decisions were made by bishops, they were ratified by the pope ... and it was done.

and the laity had to accepted them or not.. and while splinter catholic religions accepted most of these councils, non-trinitarian faiths which developed latter (of which jehovah's witnesses are apart) did not.

Konagirl

I posted this on fb, but for those who aren't members, I'll post some it here. I was commenting on the video attached: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5ik2EUeZM0

“It (the governing body of JWs) can ERR in doctrinal matters or organizational direction.”

And another by an elder /“helper” of the governing body: “They (the governing body of JWs) NEVER LIE or DECEIVE us”

“That’s just not how it works”, says the young man, about similar conflicting statements made by false prophets of his own religion. Well, how DOES it work? The truth of God is consistent, reliable, and it remains. (Psalm 119:160; John 4:24; 1 Cor 1:9; John 17:17; James 1:17) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+119%3A160%3B+John+4%3A24%3B+1+Cor+1%3A9%3B+John+17%3A17%3B+James+1%3A17&version=NKJV

Here’s the guideline Jesus Christ gave to the foundation “living stones” of God’s spiritual temple built on Christ’s body:

“You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear FRUIT, fruit that will ENDURE (“remain”), so that the Father will give you WHATEVER YOU ASK in my name.“ John 15:16

(John 2:19-21; Matt 16:18; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Matt 28:20; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+2%3A+19-21%3B+Matt+16%3A18%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%3B+Matt+28%3A20%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%3B+Eph+2%3A20-22&version=NKJV

In Matthew, chapter 7, Jesus tells us to be aware of false prophets producing rotten (“worthless, corrupt, putrefied”) FRUIT/teachings. (Matt 7:15-20)

It is nurtured in the heart, and spoken out of the mouth. (Luke 4:5-7; Mark 4:3,7,18-19; Luke 6:45; 1 John 4:1; Matt 24:24-25) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+4%3A5-7%3B+Mark+4%3A3%2C7%2C18-19%3B+Luke+6%3A45%3B+1+John+4%3A1%3B+Matt+24%3A24-25&version=NKJV

Every doctrinal teaching that must be changed by the governing leaders eventually vanishes from the attention of JWs, and falls into obscurity. Their waffling doctrines are more than errors; they are deliberate acts of deceit. (Job 15:35; Psalm 36:1-4; Jer 9:6; Eph 5:6; 2 Pet 2:1-3; Matt 24:24-25; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:11,12,15; 16:13-16; 19:20) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+15%3A35%3B+Psalm+36%3A1-4%3B+Jer+9%3A6%3B+Eph+5%3A6%3B+2+Pet+2%3A1-3%3B+Matt+24%3A24-25%3B+1+Tim+4%3A1%3B+Rev+13%3A11%2C12%2C15%3B+16%3A13-16%3B+19%3A20&version=NKJV

The fruit produced and spoken by the dual relationship of the governing leaders and their “Gentile” army of elders - both entities represented in the video - is an ongoing harvest of corrupt and diseased “fruit” – teachings that come out of the mouth. So rotten in fact, that even they cannot preserve them until Christ returns. (Eccl 12:9-14; Prov 22:12; Matt 12:37; 25:29-30; Eph 4:25;1 Cor 3:13; Ezek 13:3,10-12,15-16) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Eccl+12%3A9-14%3B+Prov+22%3A12%3B+Matt+12%3A37%3B+25%3A29-30%3B+Eph+4%3A25%3B1+Cor+3%3A13%3B+Ezek+13%3A3%2C10-12%2C15-16&version=NKJV

They label their fruit “nourishing spiritual food at the proper time” provided by Jesus Christ, and which should bolster the faith of JWs. (Isa 28:7-9) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+28%3A7-9&version=NKJV

(Who REALLY is the “faithful slave”? - https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/08/who-really-is-matt2445.html)

But does it? Jesus tells us:

“Do not work for food that SPOILS, but for food that ENDURES to eternal life, which the Son of Man WILL give you. “ John 6:27

Yet, the governing leaders proclaim that Jesus never promised to provide “perfect” food, their meager attempt at excusing their hypocrisy and lies. Their human doctrine stems from fleshly desires that are proven NOT TO ENDURE. (Matt 6:19-20; Phil 3:18-19) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+6%3A19-20%3B+Phil+3%3A18-19&version=NKJV

Is Jesus imperfect like men? Would any of his words prove to be imperfect? Would any of his promises given to those faithful ones that he has chosen to teach others, prove to be failures? (Psalm 18:30; Matt 19:21; 6:24; Heb 12:1-2; 1 John 2:2; John 14:6; 12:49-50; John 17:6,17; John 13:20; Matt 28:20; Mal 2:7) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+18%3A30%3B+Matt+19%3A21%3B+6%3A24%3B+Heb+12%3A1-2%3B+1+John+2%3A2%3B+John+14%3A6%3B+12%3A49-50%3B+John+17%3A6%2C17%3B+John+13%3A20%3B+Matt+28%3A20%3B+Mal+2%3A7&version=NKJV

To those anointed priests who are to spread his truth, and truth endures forever, he promised in John 15:16 and John 6:27 that he and the Father would give “whatever you ask” to a faithful servant who remains in Christ, and who desires to understand the wisdom of God. (John 15:1-2,5-6; 1 John 2:27; Luke 11:9-13; John 16:13) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+15%3A1-2%2C5-6%3B+1+John+2%3A27%3B+Luke+11%3A9-13%3B+John+16%3A13&version=NKJV

“If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified by this: that you continue to bear much fruit and PROVE to be my disciples.” John 15:7

From the vast evidence of false and failed teachings, we have substantial PROOF that the governing leaders and their world-wide elder body, are not disciples of truth and Jesus Christ, but disciples of the father of the lie. (John 8:44; 2 Cor 11:13-15) Jesus does not bestow the power and wisdom of Holy Spirit upon men who exalt themselves over Christ, and who willingly produce teachings or “food” /fruit that liberally issues from their corrupt heart and mind. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A44%3B2+Cor+11%3A13-15&version=NKJV

“NO rotten (or “corrupt”/”unwholesome”) word must proceed from your mouth, but only something good for the building up of the need, in order that it may give grace to those who hear.” Eph 4:29

So, as we see in the video, what comes out of the mouth of these pretentious representatives of the organization, is glaring hypocrisy. (Luke 12:1; Mark 7:6-7; 1 Tim 4:1-2; 2 Cor 11:3-4; Heb 3:12; Rom 10:3; 2 Pet 2:21) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+12%3A1%3B+Mark+7%3A6-7%3B+1+Tim+4%3A1-2%3B+2+Cor+11%3A3-4%3B+Heb+3%3A12%3B+Rom+10%3A3%3B+2+Pet+2%3A21&version=NKJV

Neither one of these leaders is telling the truth. (Dan 11:27; Jer 5:30-31; Matt 12:33-37; 23:27-28) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan+11%3A27%3B+Jer+5%3A30-31%3B+Matt+12%3A33-37%3B+23%3A27-28&version=NKJV

Ephesians 5:9 –“FOR THE FRUIT OF LIGHT IS FOUND IN ALL THAT IS GOOD AND RIGHT AND TRUE.”

(Romans 3:4; John 12:48; Eph 5:6-9; Col 2:8; John 8:12; 1:4-5) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3%3A4%3B+John+12%3A48%3B+Eph+5%3A6-9%3B+Col+2%3A8%3B+John+8%3A12%3B+1%3A4-5&version=NKJV