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  The WTS's endpoint of the "70 Years"?

  by Doug Mason in

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  1. does the wts date the end the 70 years as soon as the babylonian exiles returned to the land, or when they started the building of the altar?.

  (ezra 2:68 makes it clear that the returnees arrived early enough for the exiles to be settled in their own towns (verse 70) well before they started to build the altar in the seventh month of an unidentified year (3:1)).. .

  2. why were the returnees frightened of the people around them when they started to build the altar (ezra 3:3)?

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  Doug Mason

  Post 702

  The Bible is quite specific that the seventy years ended at the beginning of Tishri, 537 BCE whereas their exile in Babylon ended on the specific month of their Return which time is not stated either in the Bible or secdular history. The Babylon book I would have thought is quite specific about these matters including the time to the very month of the beginning of the seventy years in Tishri, 607 BCE.

  Your reconstruction by means of those four points is correct.

  There is no inconsistency because it was the timing and celebration of the festal months in the year 607 and 537 BCE which would have been more important as as Jehovah God was concedrned so the seventy years began right on time, ended right on time spanning the complete period of seventy years in harmony with the cycle of sabbaths.

  Ezra 3:1 does not need to have some sort of official sanction from a secular authority to narrate the significance of the festal month for that month Tishri began with a New Moon which informed the Jews that this sacred month had begun and now it was the time to worship Jehovah rejoicing now at their release to their homelamd.

  There is nothing wrong in a selective quoting of a source for that is the prerogative of the writer but I would be interested in having a copy of that older EB article if you have it to hand. There is again nothing wrong with the use of other secular writers in order to construct chronology or history and this is what the celebrated WT scholars does.

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  Do the celestial positions on BM 33478 help to prove Artaxerxes I's 20th year was 455 BCE? (For 'scholar')

  by AnnOMaly in

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  this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.

  background.

  for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.

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  AnnOMaly

  Your comments on Furuli are simply opinion and mishief-making. You clearly like Jomsson unable to work from the primary souces and you are untrained in the field of ancient astronomy so your 'personl research has not been independently teated. When you did canvas your views with Furuli on the Yahoo site you were debunked by Furuli as has Jonsson. Methinks you should stick to domestic duties rather than the heavy world of chronology.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  AnnOMaly

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  You too should get real. Because the matter is now in the public domain all the more reason that you should also direct your criticisms to Furuli. Your refusal to do so reveals your true motive is not to educate but to deceive the public. Another piece of apostae mischief making.

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  For your research: Chart for 70 Years for Babylon

  by Lady Liberty in

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  609- nabopolassars 17th reignal year.

  607- nabopolassars 19th reignal year.

  605- nabopolassars 21st reignal year.

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  Doug Mason

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  Step 1. The matter of determining any Absolute Date for the purposes of chronology is simply methodology and it is up to the chronologist or scholar to determine what methodology is to be followed. This expalins why it is that no chronology of the OT is in agreement. Celebrated WT scholars have selected a methodology and that is their prerogative whether others like it or not.

  Step2. The calculation that the Return of the Jews was in Tishri,537 BCE is certainly proven in the WT publications and has the endorsement of not a few scholars. There is nothing 'fuzzy' about the events of that period and in fact it is only in WT publications that carful historical attention is paid to that period from the Fall of Babylon until the Return.

  Step 3. Both Jeremiah and Daniel are in perfect agreement that the seventy years was a period of desolation and they both go further in describing the seventy years as also a period of exile as well servitude to Babylon. Daniel's life experience and career in Babylon testifies to the truth of this matter.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  AnnOMaly

  Post 1110

  You seem to avoiding my simple proposal which I believe is the most honest and fair procedure to follow as it keeps all parties honest. If you have a better proposal then I am open to suggestions. Already you have opened a thread on the subject and my simple reponse is no response until you have shown evidence that you have discussed the matter with Furuli.

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  Do the celestial positions on BM 33478 help to prove Artaxerxes I's 20th year was 455 BCE? (For 'scholar')

  by AnnOMaly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.

  background.

  for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.

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  AnnOMaly

  Post 113

  Your post of criticism of Furuli is useless unless you have discussed the matter with him first and that is what I have always have asked you to do but you simply refuse. I cannot possible comment on something unless I have both sides of the story and have knowledge of the subject. So, in all honesty I have nothing to say about your criticism.

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  For your research: Chart for 70 Years for Babylon

  by Lady Liberty in

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  609- nabopolassars 17th reignal year.

  607- nabopolassars 19th reignal year.

  605- nabopolassars 21st reignal year.

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  isaacaustin

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  My response to your responses is as follows:

  1. Scholarship does not agree that 609 BCE correleates the beginning of the Babylonian World Power at the demise of the Assyrian World Power. The date is to 'fuzzy' historically speaking/

  2. Neb's absence from the throne for seven years and the seventy years pertaining to Judah.

  3. The lack of any precise date for the Fall of Jerusalem proves that the methodology behind secular chronology is inferior to that of biblical chronology that does arrive at precise dates for notable events.

  4. The Bible proves the fact of a 20 year gap and this has been substantiated by Furuli's ground breaking research. Josephus in numerous references refers to the seventy years as servitude-desolation-exile from the Fall to the Return in agreement with the chronology of the celebrated WT scholars.

  5. All of Jeremiah affirms that the seventy only ended after the Decree of Cyrus with the Jews returning home after the Fall of Babylon AND AGAIN THIS IS CONFIRMED BY jOSEPHUS

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  AnnOMaly

  Post 1108

  I have a better idea in addition to you setting up a thread on this subject for my benefit and education. My proposal is as follows:

  1. You select those issues that you feel are significant in falsifying Furuli's hypothesis.

  2. That you write to Furuli either by letter or email concerning those issues.

  3. That you forward to me copies of this corrresspondence and Furuli's replies.

  4. If these issues are similar or identical to that of Carl Jonsson then these references be noted.

  5. With all of this information to hand I will proceed to have these matters independently adjudicated by contacting either other experts in the field of ancient astronomy and by making a submission to the Observatory of NSW, Australia which would have the last astro programs.

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  The WTS's endpoint of the "70 Years"?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1. does the wts date the end the 70 years as soon as the babylonian exiles returned to the land, or when they started the building of the altar?.

  (ezra 2:68 makes it clear that the returnees arrived early enough for the exiles to be settled in their own towns (verse 70) well before they started to build the altar in the seventh month of an unidentified year (3:1)).. .

  2. why were the returnees frightened of the people around them when they started to build the altar (ezra 3:3)?

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  Doug Mason

  Post 693

  My comments on the end of the 70 years in Tishri, 537 BCE are largle taken from the publication Babylon The Great Has Fallen God's Kingdom Rules, 1963, pp.354-375.

  Regards

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  May I just ask one simple ? on 607, apologists, and this board???

  by JWoods in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here we have iirc more than four separate threads on 607, and of course a remonstration to not be unkind to the apologists.. why?

  607 is of course complete nonsense - not even regular witnesses can remember the "logic" behind it and why it is even mentioned from time to time in their stupid "deep spiritual literature".

  some time back this board was so badly infected with this junk by people like the "scholar" that it was painful to look over all of it and find an intelligent thread to participate in.

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  JWoods

  I have often asked this same very question and it rather baffles me that in spite of all of the evidence from the Bible and secular history people still believe in the nonsense perpetuated by apostates that Jeusalem fell in the impossible dates of either 586 or 657 BCE. Scholar has for many years argued most thoroughly that such such mischief is against Scripture and common sense.

  Pleas explain!!!

  scholar JW