this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.
background.
for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.
Leolaia
Post 13670
My proposal consiisted of 4 points but mainly ureger to list her fundamental citticisms, write to Furuli about these matters, providing me with copies of her letter and reply from Furuli and any information from Jonsson if relevant to the points raised.
scholar JW
would you say that's the beginning of the end?
hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .
AnnOMaly
Any use of a astroprogram and the interpretation of the data is dependent on the knowledge of the subject and is best left to professionals rather than pretend amateurs. I have no confidence in your use of such programs and the interpretation of the data.
It is not the point that your agenda is giving false information to conform to an 'apostate' viewpoint but whether you are competent in the matters that you are commenting on and I see evidence of your competence. Furuli on the other hand demonstrates competence insuch matters and that commands my attaention.
Learning how to operate a astro program does not qualify one to be critical of anothers's use of such programs but rather it is the understanding of the subject that is more important.
scholar JW
this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.
background.
for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.
Leolaia
Post 13665
I submitted a reasonable proposal to Ann in regard to the comparison of Furuli's thesis with an accepted astro-program but she refused to cooperate with me preferring to simply make a lot of noise anout the matter on this forum. If Ann accepts my proposal or we agree on a different proposal then I am quite happy to engage in research and debate on this subject. Perhaps you can persuade her to cooperate with me.
scholar JW
this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.
background.
for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.
AnnOMaly
Both of us are in the same sand pit of amateurs on this subject because neither of us are equipped to engage in any sort of debate on anceient astronomy. We should let the experts such as Furuli and other professional scholars deal with the matter as both of us are spectators/
scholar JW
would you say that's the beginning of the end?
hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .
AnnOMaly
Post 1123
It is simply your opinion that Furuli's data is incorrect. Astronomy programs are not apostate but the interpretation and application of those programs is sullied by apostates who have an agenda.
scholar JW
this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.
background.
for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.
AnnOMaly
Post 1102
I too am dissappointed in you for not accepting my initial prpoposal which ensures that we all know what we are talking about. It was obvious from your discussions wiith Wrench which I followed with much amusement was that niether of you kneww what you were talking about and both of yoy were simply point-scoring or 'grandstanding. I have no intention of entering any debate unless I am on top of the subject and my proposal was the best means of ensuring that both of us know what we are talking about.
scholar JW
1. does the wts date the end the 70 years as soon as the babylonian exiles returned to the land, or when they started the building of the altar?.
(ezra 2:68 makes it clear that the returnees arrived early enough for the exiles to be settled in their own towns (verse 70) well before they started to build the altar in the seventh month of an unidentified year (3:1)).. .
2. why were the returnees frightened of the people around them when they started to build the altar (ezra 3:3)?
Doug Mason
Post 703
As have already said secular authorities are rather vague about the historicity of the Return so it is not surprising that the articles from the EB are rather fuzzy on the matter. Celebrated WT scholars are not so fuzzy on the subject and in WT literature they have provided an accurate history and chronology of that period. So it is that the Return of the Jews was in Tishri, 537 BCE for this is the most suitable of all other interpretations offered by secular scholars.
I know that the above is not to your liking but you will find that the situation is the same regardless of what date you prefer. You demand certainty on certain matters and that scholarship cannot provide so you must be content as I am with what we know and what we can know rather than what cannot be known. The Bible, science and history was not designed to meet the demands of the 21st century human whereby we are used to daily newspapers dated accordingly for the scribes in the ancient world wrote for their day and times and not for us today.
scholar JW
1. does the wts date the end the 70 years as soon as the babylonian exiles returned to the land, or when they started the building of the altar?.
(ezra 2:68 makes it clear that the returnees arrived early enough for the exiles to be settled in their own towns (verse 70) well before they started to build the altar in the seventh month of an unidentified year (3:1)).. .
2. why were the returnees frightened of the people around them when they started to build the altar (ezra 3:3)?
Doug Mason
Post 693
I have given you the section of material in the Babylon book and you should also consult Ezra 3:1-6 for the timing of the Return.
scholar JW
this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.
background.
for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.
AnnOMaly
Post 1118
On these technical matters I am happy to let Furuli speak on the matter as he has done so well and will continue to do so. I have no interest in your nonsense and opinion.
scholar JW
would you say that's the beginning of the end?
hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .
AnnOMaly
Furuli has already dealt with the hard data and his research agrees with the Bible and that is good enough for me. Your so called ;hard data; is simply apostate opinion and I have no interest in your opinion.
scholar JW
