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  For your research: Chart for 70 Years for Babylon

  by Lady Liberty in

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  609- nabopolassars 17th reignal year.

  607- nabopolassars 19th reignal year.

  605- nabopolassars 21st reignal year.

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  isaacaustin

  Post 3832

  My response to your responses is as follows:

  1. Scholarship does not agree that 609 BCE correleates the beginning of the Babylonian World Power at the demise of the Assyrian World Power. The date is to 'fuzzy' historically speaking/

  2. Neb's absence from the throne for seven years and the seventy years pertaining to Judah.

  3. The lack of any precise date for the Fall of Jerusalem proves that the methodology behind secular chronology is inferior to that of biblical chronology that does arrive at precise dates for notable events.

  4. The Bible proves the fact of a 20 year gap and this has been substantiated by Furuli's ground breaking research. Josephus in numerous references refers to the seventy years as servitude-desolation-exile from the Fall to the Return in agreement with the chronology of the celebrated WT scholars.

  5. All of Jeremiah affirms that the seventy only ended after the Decree of Cyrus with the Jews returning home after the Fall of Babylon AND AGAIN THIS IS CONFIRMED BY jOSEPHUS

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  AnnOMaly

  Post 1108

  I have a better idea in addition to you setting up a thread on this subject for my benefit and education. My proposal is as follows:

  1. You select those issues that you feel are significant in falsifying Furuli's hypothesis.

  2. That you write to Furuli either by letter or email concerning those issues.

  3. That you forward to me copies of this corrresspondence and Furuli's replies.

  4. If these issues are similar or identical to that of Carl Jonsson then these references be noted.

  5. With all of this information to hand I will proceed to have these matters independently adjudicated by contacting either other experts in the field of ancient astronomy and by making a submission to the Observatory of NSW, Australia which would have the last astro programs.

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  The WTS's endpoint of the "70 Years"?

  by Doug Mason in

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  2. bible

  1. does the wts date the end the 70 years as soon as the babylonian exiles returned to the land, or when they started the building of the altar?.

  (ezra 2:68 makes it clear that the returnees arrived early enough for the exiles to be settled in their own towns (verse 70) well before they started to build the altar in the seventh month of an unidentified year (3:1)).. .

  2. why were the returnees frightened of the people around them when they started to build the altar (ezra 3:3)?

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  Doug Mason

  Post 693

  My comments on the end of the 70 years in Tishri, 537 BCE are largle taken from the publication Babylon The Great Has Fallen God's Kingdom Rules, 1963, pp.354-375.

  Regards

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  May I just ask one simple ? on 607, apologists, and this board???

  by JWoods in

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  here we have iirc more than four separate threads on 607, and of course a remonstration to not be unkind to the apologists.. why?

  607 is of course complete nonsense - not even regular witnesses can remember the "logic" behind it and why it is even mentioned from time to time in their stupid "deep spiritual literature".

  some time back this board was so badly infected with this junk by people like the "scholar" that it was painful to look over all of it and find an intelligent thread to participate in.

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  JWoods

  I have often asked this same very question and it rather baffles me that in spite of all of the evidence from the Bible and secular history people still believe in the nonsense perpetuated by apostates that Jeusalem fell in the impossible dates of either 586 or 657 BCE. Scholar has for many years argued most thoroughly that such such mischief is against Scripture and common sense.

  Pleas explain!!!

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  For your research: Chart for 70 Years for Babylon

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  609- nabopolassars 17th reignal year.

  607- nabopolassars 19th reignal year.

  605- nabopolassars 21st reignal year.

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  lLady Liberty

  There ae at least 5 major flaws with your chart:

  1. The claimed date of 608 BCE for the beginning of the seventy years is useless becuase nothing of historical significance occurred in that year/

  2. The chart omits significant events in the reign of Nebuchadnezzer.

  3. Presents no precise date for the Fall of Jerusalem

  4. Conceals the biblical fact of a twenty year gap bewteen NB chronology and biblical chronology

  5.. The date 539 BCE ending the seventy years is impossible because the Jews were still exiled in Babylon

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  607 Resaerchers may find this tidbit VERY INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by Lady Liberty in

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  this was a post i made some time ago, but since the jws are always trying to discredit the dating system of the babylonians i thought this was very interesting.

  was watching a awesome program last night called solar max on cable.

  it is a imax film about the solar system.

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  Lady Liberty

  I know that you are a devoted fan of the Babylonians but accurate Babylonian astronomy does equate with accurate Babylonian chronology and history. Babylonian astronomy like other ancient astronomies are subject to ongoing scieintific criticism and the big problem with this astronomy ai that the records of their observations are subject to interpretation. So, it is far wiser and prudent to base one's chronology on the infallible Word of God rather than the science of men.

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  The WTS's endpoint of the "70 Years"?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1. does the wts date the end the 70 years as soon as the babylonian exiles returned to the land, or when they started the building of the altar?.

  (ezra 2:68 makes it clear that the returnees arrived early enough for the exiles to be settled in their own towns (verse 70) well before they started to build the altar in the seventh month of an unidentified year (3:1)).. .

  2. why were the returnees frightened of the people around them when they started to build the altar (ezra 3:3)?

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  Doug Mason

  The seventy years offically ended on the first day of the seventh month (Tishri) 537 BCE on the occasion or the Festival of the New Moon which was September 28/29, Gregorian Calender or October 4/5 Julian Calender. This festival was shortly followed by the Festival of Booths on the fifteenth day of the month.

  This means that a precise seventy years from the Fall of Jerusalem to the Return was accomplished which proves that Jehovah God is a Great Timekeeper and Chronologist.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  isaacaustin

  Posts 3818

  Josephus quite emphaticaly on at least 4 occasions in his Antiquities that the seventy years not fifty was period from the Fall to the Return marked by exile desolation and servitude which is exactly what the celebrated WT scholars have been telling the international scholarly community for several decades.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  Alwayshere

  Post 607

  This is simply done because 625 BCE was Neb's accession year followed by 624 BCE as his 1st regnal year counting from Nisan.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  Ann O Maly

  Post 1107

  The Insight article explains the methodology for using the regnal years, 18th and 19th ending in 607 BCE as the Fall of Jerusalem. You are correct in stating that the Bible does not tellus how to use regnal years and that is why we have the science of chronology which is based on methodology and interpretation.

  Your post 1104 simply prefers 587 BCE but serious scholars prefer 586 BCE so this shows that your methodology is deficient so the smart thing to do is to take notice of the celebrated WT scholars.

  I have followed your debates on this subject with Furuli and Wrench so I have a good idea of your attitude and bias. Furuli will be forwarding the articles from the Catastrophism Review which includes Furuli's response to Jonsson and vice versa.

  Your observation on Furuli is misguided and plain wrong because Furuli is a competent scholar who has the ability to work with the primary sources, something that most WT critics cannot do and he has made real holes in the traditional chronology or at least brought the entire edifice under the microscope.

  There is much more to Furuli's thesis than the use of a astro program because Furuli has dealt with the primary source materials firts hand rather than relying on orthodox tyransaltions which is the practice of Jonsson. Furuli told me by phone last night that he in fact is revising his First volume and he has used a astro program which viondicates 455 BCE.

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