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devil question

by Carol1111 in

i had a discussion with 4 jws today and they told me that jesus could not be tempted, ( they say that he would not be perfect if he could) but also they told me that satan tempted jesus in the wilderness.. can anyone clarify their beliefs please.

i like to give them a reasoned argument when i talk to them, but have never noticed this conflict of ideas before..

Rainbow_Troll

Satan TRIED to tempt Jesus, but our lord just didn't swing that way.

But, as annointed pointed out, the whole temptation story really is stupid. It just shows how ignorant these allegedly inspired authors really were.

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Stepford Children

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

i watched this movie for the first time today and i noticed some disturbing similarities with the personalities of jws.

the way they train their children and wives so they become robots to serve jehovah, but most importantly of all, to make their husbands and fathers look good and boost their egos.

if you haven't watched this movie or stepford wives, take a look.

Rainbow_Troll

Strangly enough I never experienced this in my congregation. All of my JW friends were hypocites who payed lip service (and field service) to Org during meetings and then did what they wanted the rest of the time.

One of my best friends actually seemed to believe in Jehovah and that he was going to be destroyed at Armageddon for his sinful lifestyle, but that didn't stop him from drinking, smoking, cursing, and dating.

My other best friend was even more cynical. She openly admitted to me that the meetings bored her to death and even though she was an elder's daughter, the only rule she followed in her life was "Thou shalt not get caught." Heh, and she never did...

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Banned From The Kingdom Hall

by darkspilver in

banned from going to the kingdom hall..... a former jehovah’s witness has been banned from visiting any of the organisation’s kingdom halls in the uk – or face going to jail.. http://www.kentonline.co.uk/deal/news/judges-jail-warning-to-former-117012/.

previous thread / discussion.

youtube channel.

Rainbow_Troll

JUDGE JAMES O'MAHONY: It is perfectly proper to have strong religious views but you should have regard for the feelings of other people.

If only he knew!

I agree that this man's actions only reenforce the image of the bitter, morally depraved and emotionally unstable apostate but I personally applaud his actions anyway. When I went apostate my calm, reasonable demeanor didn't do anything for my image (one elder even thought I was demon-possessed). By putting himself out there he has at least attracted some attention and hopefully planted some seeds of doubt in the congregation.

The problem with behaving respectfully and hoping that your ethical actions will speak louder than words is that witneses won't notice any of that. No matter how good of a person you seem to be in public, they will always just assume that it's an act and that you really are shooting heroine, having promiscuous sex, and conjuring demons in cabballistic circles behind closed doors. Trust me, in terms of reputation, an ex-jw has absolutely nothing to lose by behaving like this guy did.

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Has anyone out here read Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason"?

by Captain Schmideo2 in

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friends

i wish i had read this back when i was 18. it's an amazing take down of religious beliefs, the bible, and religion in general.

) a "reason"-able manner.take this quote, from near the beginning:.

when also i am told that a woman, called the virgin mary, said, or gave out, that she was with child without any cohabitation with a man, and that her betrothed husband, joseph, said that an angel told him so, i have a right to believe them or not: such a circumstance required a much stronger evidence than their bare word for it: but we have not even this; for neither joseph nor mary wrote any such matter themselves.

Rainbow_Troll

Yes, and it's one of my favorite books. Tom Paine is one of my heros and that book took a lot of courage to write back in those days. He didn't mince words and it cost him. From what I have read he became a sort of pariah after The Age of Reason was published, even Thomas Jefferson, who essentially held the same beliefs but was too prudent to publicize them, kept his distance from Paine after that.

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Have any ex-jws considered joining the Bible Students?

by Rainbow_Troll in

their fundamental beliefs are much like jehovah's witnesses sans the paranoia, authoritarianism, stifling rules, and end-times enthusiasm.

you don't even have to become a bible student to be saved, you could be an idol worshipping heathen and still get resurrected in the milenium.

if i still believed in the divine inspiration of the scriptures, i would be a bible student.

Rainbow_Troll

You can still order the set of all six books from the Chicago Bible Students for $18.

Save your money and buy the Kindle version for $1.99.

Saved from what? Sounds to me like the same bible nonsense. To many of us ex-JWs, our leaving has nothing to do with doctrine. Some of us are not looking for anything bible related, nor religion related, not even spirituality related.

Well, I did leave over doctrine and, though I'm not Christian, I was interested in knowing if any ex-jws might have found the Bible Students a welcoming alternative. Some people need to believe and I would rather they be in a group like the Bible Students or some other religion that doesn't promote bigotry, superstition, and paranoid schizophrenia. My mom is never going to question her fundamental beliefs, but if she left the JWs and joined the BSs, I think she would be a much happier person

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Have any ex-jws considered joining the Bible Students?

by Rainbow_Troll in

their fundamental beliefs are much like jehovah's witnesses sans the paranoia, authoritarianism, stifling rules, and end-times enthusiasm.

you don't even have to become a bible student to be saved, you could be an idol worshipping heathen and still get resurrected in the milenium.

if i still believed in the divine inspiration of the scriptures, i would be a bible student.

Rainbow_Troll

Their fundamental beliefs are much like Jehovah's Witnesses sans the paranoia, authoritarianism, stifling rules, and end-times enthusiasm. You don't even have to become a Bible student to be saved, you could be an idol worshipping heathen and still get resurrected in the milenium. If I still believed in the divine inspiration of the scriptures, I would be a Bible student. Alas, I know too much...

As a JW I was taught that the JWs are the Bible Students, having just changed their names for some odd reason. It was only later that I discovered that the JWs are the true apostates, Rutherford having changed the name to JW after the original Bible Students objected to his coup de tat of the WTBTS (which was really just a publishing company at the time) as well as his very wacky, paranoid, anti-semetic ideas. Rutherford knew that his new religion was radically different from Russell's teaching, so he actually did the honest thing and gave it a new name.

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Did you ever experience true kindness in the Org?

by HereIgo in

i remember when i was about 17, i started shunning an older brother because he was disfellowshipped.

when i graduated high school, he pulled me aside and said " i know you are not supposed to talk to me, but i want you to have this" it was a gift that he had custom made for me.

i was so blown away, we never even had a real conversation before.

Rainbow_Troll

Of course. When I was a kid two of my best friends in the world were JWs. We did everything together and they stood by me through some hard times. Although they dropped me like a wet, smelly blanket as soon as I turned apostate, I can't bring myself to believe that our friendship meant nothing to them. I'm sure they still think about me, just as I think of them, but the mental programming and fear of shunning is just a lot stronger than even the bonds of friendship. Amongst all the uppity prudes and elitist snobs in the Watchtower, there are also some genuinely kind people, it's just that the WT has a way of smothering warm feelings.

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Has the rebranding worked?

by MrTheocratic in

it's been several years since the start of the rebranding of jehovahs witnesses.

i believe it started with the website change.

ever since then the religion has moved in a more modern direction.

Rainbow_Troll

I think "rebranding" is too strong a word. The Org definitely has a much stronger online presence than it did when I was in it and there are the cute little cartoons (I just loved the one about the classmate with two mommies) but it's essentially the same old shtick.

The WTS has made no effort to appeal to a larger crowd. If they wanted to they could ease up on some of their more hairbrained rules (no blood, no college, no holidays) and start having charity drives like mainstream Christian churches. But they won't because the leadership is just too insular and out of touch with the rest of society.

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If this system goes on.

by karter in

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friends

i heard my hard out jw sister say that for the 1st time in many years and i'm hearing more and more jw's saying that.

years ago when i was in they talked about the new system coming any minute..

Rainbow_Troll

Considering that 1914, the alleged beginning of end, is over 102 years behind us and the scientifically determined limit on the human lifespan (baring the intervention of anti-aging drugs) is 120 years, I'd say that this system has less than 18 years to go before Armageddon. It's truly great that within that period most JWs who remember the 1914 doctrine will either be dead or senile, which will allow the WTS to dupe a whole new generation of suckers.

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Vegan paradise

by coalize in

if in the wts earthly-paradise fantasy, the wolf won't eat no more the lamb and they will be the best friends, will human continue to kill lambs to eat?.

the earthly paradise is vegan?.

Rainbow_Troll

...And yet I've never met a vegan or vegetarian JW. Granted, the odds are statistically against it (both being rather small minorities) but you would think someone who believes that humans were created by God to live on veggies might give it a try. Why wait until the new system of things?

All I ever got from JW friends over my dietary choice was resistance either in the form of genuine concern for my health or derisive comments that seemed to be questioning the manliness of not eating meat. It's said (with much truth) that vegetarians and vegans can be moralistic f*cktards who want to impose their diet on everyone else but, at least among JWs, I got the distinct (though covert) impression that foreswearing meat eating was a path to the dark side.

On a related note, the WT teaching that animals with sharp, spiky teeth and jaws powerful enough to break bones were created to eat plants was one of the many factors that went into my decision to leave. The idea is so idiotic that it almost seems like a test: if you can believe it, you're more than ready to swollow everything else the WTBTS teaches. To this day I don't understand how my mom or anyone else can accept such brazen nonsense! I once read a sociological study which found that the more intelligent a person is, the more prone they are to believing in 'crazy' ideas and, having a few crazy ideas myself, I find that rather flattering; but some things aren't just crazy or wildly improbable, they're impossible. Vegetarian lions are one of those things.

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