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Does the two witness rule still stand on minor sins?

by Homer notsimpson in

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its been pointed out to me that two eye witnesses are always needed for elders to form a judicial case.

the sister could have sex with a brother.

she confesses and he denies, he gets off free, sure.

Rainbow_Troll

The reason that the 2 witness rules is so messed up is that no child molestor is dumb enough to let anyone witness their crime. The only witness is the victim! So unless the perp is molesting more than one kid at a time or gets caught literally with his pants down, he's immune to prosecution!

In my congregation this is actually what happened to a brother. His wife caught him doing something with their daughter. If I knew who he was I might turn him in myself, but this is just something my mom picked up from the JW rumor mill.

While it's true that kids do lie like everyone else, there are actually fairly reliable methods of determining guilt. Just run the kid's clothing or bed sheets over with a black light. Is there semen? Does its DNA match that of the accused? Case closed.

The reason the two witness rule exists is because the GB knows it doesn't work. They don't want it to be known that their 'clean' organization is crawling with pedos, so they have deliberately made it as difficult as possible to 'convict' them. Once you have recognized this, everything makes sense.

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Which is worse according to the GB: Child Abuse or Apostasy??

by stuckinarut2 in

so we all know how the organization conducts itself regarding child abuse.

the multitude of legal cases worldwide including the current australian royal commission as well as anecdotal accounts prove their attitude.. perpetrators have not been reported to authorities, and data bases of such have been kept sealed even when demanded by the courts!.

however, when it comes to those of us who have simply left the organization due to learning the truth, the society spares no effort in spreading gossip and ensuring that one's name and reputation is ruined.. so gb, which crime is worse?

Rainbow_Troll

What makes apostasy different from any other sin is the lack of remorse. Even most child molestors probably believe that what they have done is wrong; but they just couldn't help themselves. Sex, after all, is the most powerful human instinct. In most people it overrides not only ethics and reason, but even self-preservation! So when a child-molestor is caught, he is likely to recognize that he was wrong and repent.

Contrast that with apostasy. Unlike sex, apostasy isn't some passion that overwhelms a basically good person and makes them do bad things. Apostasy is a very conscious, willful decision that involves the most human part of us: our intellect. Unlike the child molestor, the apostate isn't going to be contrite if he or she is caught. Chances are, the apostate won't even deny the accussation and will proudly defend their decision.

So even though the child-molestor has caused a lot of suffering and the apostate none at all, I totally understand why the former is handled with kid gloves while the latter is dealt with so harshly. Child molestors are just weak people who gave in to their basest instincts. Apostates, by contrast, are usually very strong, spiritual people who deliberately turn against Jehovah and his organization. It's the difference between Eve's sin and the fall of Lucifer. Eve and her husband were forgiven for their weakness, but Satan will never get that because he will never repent.

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Is Jehovah God guilty of the Sin of Omission ?

by smiddy in

in genesis ch.1&2 god warns adam that if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and bad he would die .theire was nothing said about anything else.. you would expect humans would just die of old age like adam and eve did.. the wages of sin is death the bible tells us .so if he disobeyed jehovah god he knew he would die .. what he never knew and neither did any other human to come after him was just how many ways death would come to humans.. death by creatures that were created by god venomous creatures ,snakes spiders etc.,marine creatures sharks etc., bacteria /viruses etc.,insect carrying diseases such as the mosquito that causes thousands of deaths to children under 5 years old even today with malaria.,wild animals etc,.leprosy that even existed under theocratic rule in the nation of israel.. then their is the indignties humans go through in old age ,loss of bodily functions , mental capacity ,alzheimers ,neurological diseases that effect young and old.that reduce people to almost live not much better than a vegetable .

natural disasters not to be excluded because these are in the control of god to afflict mankind or not.. the list of afflictions that humans have to suffer through before they die , from a loving god just boggles my mind.. and i have only scratched the surface of indignities humans have faced before they die.. so i ask the question is god jehovah guilty of the sin of omission ?

or did he act out of vengeance for their disobedience and wanted to inflict greater punishment upon them.for disobeying him.. what are your thoughts ?.

Rainbow_Troll

I guess he should have told them that their descendants would be punished with death as well. In that case the couple could have just chosen to not procreate and the curse would have died with them. Then Jehovah could have gone back to the drawing board and tried again. Why do people have kids when they know that those kids will just suffer and die? Beats me.

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Picture worth 1000 words

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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(matthew 25:41-46) 41 “then he will say, in turn, to those on his left, ‘be on your way from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 for i became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat, and i got thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink.

43 i was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ 44 then they also will answer with the words, ‘lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 then he will answer them with the words, ‘truly i say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’ 46 and these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”.

Rainbow_Troll

Love the picture. Did you deliberately get a guy to sit by the cart or was this just a spontaneous candid photograph?

Individual JWs can be very charitable even to the worldly, but you're right, the organization does zilch in this regard. When I went church hopping I was impressed with how many churches have organized charity drives for the poor and destitute. It made me feel a little less cynical toward Christianity.

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"Look what you made me do to you"

by Zoos in

this line used by abusive spouses and governing bodies who mandate shunning:.

look what you made me do to you...".

it's got a bit of a history (according to the bible).

Rainbow_Troll

The whole dynamic is best embodied in the three stooges: Jehovah is of course Moe, the know-it-all who bosses everyone around and can never be wrong. Satan is Curly, the guy who is always bungling up Moe's plans. Larry is the hapless human race.

So Jehovah sets up a garden and deliberately plants an evil fruit tree that he knows will tempt his creation. Satan then does his job and tempts us with a predictable outcome.

Jehovah: Look what you made me do! *tries to slug Satan but misses and hits Adam*

Adam: Nyuck, nyuck!

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If you had the opportunity to create religious doctrine from scratch,what rule would your church or nation have?

by Chook in

would you teach a heaven , hell, jesus , paradise.

what rule structure for discipline ect ,ect,.

Rainbow_Troll

I don't thonk I could possibly come up with anything better than Aleister Crowley's law of Thelema:

Man has the right to live by his own law— to live in the way that he wills to do: to work as he will: to play as he will: to rest as he will: to die when and how he will.
Man has the right to eat what he will: to drink what he will: to dwell where he will: to move as he will on the face of the earth.
Man has the right to think what he will: to speak what he will: to write what he will: to draw, paint, carve, etch, mould, build as he will: to dress as he will.
Man has the right to love as he will:…"take your fill and will of love as ye will, when, where, and with whom ye will."
Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights.

I would have these words engraved on tablets of granite and every child would hear them sung by their parents before they were old enough to talk. And, of course, it would be understood that by 'Man' is meant all of humanity: every man, woman, boy, girl, and intersexed.

Every religion to date has been about "Do as I wilt." But Crowley said "No, don't do as I wilt, do as THOU wilt! Take responsibility for your own life. Live as a man, not a beast of burden." And of course, most people reacted with horror to such a 'selfish' doctrine. Sheep can't see beyond the whole master-slave dialectic. If you refuse to serve, you must be some sort of usurping tyrant.

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The Danger of Settlements

by Tech49 in

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i was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.

conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.

i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).

Rainbow_Troll

I find it hard to believe anyone would write that. It's a civil case - it's only about money.

Let me rephrase that: why settle for a civil suit in the first place? The WT didn't spill hot coffee on their victim's crotches, they are fucking criminals who aided and abetted other criminals. This isn't a civil matter, it's a criminal one.

If someone raped me, I wouldn't want their money. I'd want their cock floating in a pickle jar.

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The Danger of Settlements

by Tech49 in

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friends

i was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.

conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.

i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).

Rainbow_Troll

I think this all turns on terms of the settlement. If the plaintiff gets their money, no strings attached, just so the WT can avoid a lengthy and expensive trial, then I agree that they are destroying themselves in the long run as now any former JW could just say they were abused (even if they weren't) and win a jackpot. But if the WT is exchanging money in return for silence, then they are definitely getting the better end of the deal.

Though I find it hard to believe that any victim would settle for money. If it were me I would want to do the maximum amount of damage to the organization. Money comes and goes, but revenge leaves a sweet taste on the tongue long after it's over.

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A question to Non-US forum members.

by Spoletta in

now that trump is on his way to making america great again, will you consider moving here where you can get the best healthcare and education that anyone with a lot of money can buy, plus the ability to buy all the guns you need to protect yourself?

and it gets better!

if you are caucasian, you need never worry about discrimination.. am anxious to hear your replies.

Rainbow_Troll

Also Rainbow_troll why not try sunny Scotland...another place to get a free university education with the added advantage they speak your language ( well...usually LoL!!)

Wow, okay, didn't know that you had free college over there. My dad was from Scotland which means I have dual citizenship, so emigrating would not be a problem for me. I'll look into it.

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A question to Non-US forum members.

by Spoletta in

now that trump is on his way to making america great again, will you consider moving here where you can get the best healthcare and education that anyone with a lot of money can buy, plus the ability to buy all the guns you need to protect yourself?

and it gets better!

if you are caucasian, you need never worry about discrimination.. am anxious to hear your replies.

Rainbow_Troll

Waton: you do not need money, go there and declare yourself a refugee, it will take years to deport you, by that time you will have your doctorate, and spreche deutsch.

Seriously? And they'll give me free food and shelter? But how can a coddled American like me qualify as a refugee? Don't you have to be fleeing from a war torn third world country or from religious and ethnic persecution to qualify for refugee status?

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