How about starting with their dress and grooming code? Exposing false doctrines is like unraveling tangled yarn, but the petty rules they impose on others is easier to refute. Ask him where the mosaic law or Jesus condemns facial hair or tight fitting trousers.
Rainbow_Troll
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The org and going beyond what is written
by CitizenofEarth inhello there.. my father just claimed that the good thing about being a witness was how they just let the bible interpret itself.
now i know the irony in this statement, but i dont know what to show him that he just cant discard with some ignorant excuse.
any ideas?
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Sea lion snatches girl off wharf into water in viral video
by oppostate inhttp://www.sacbee.com/news/local/environment/article151962557.html.
a little girl sat on the edge of a dock in canada, and watched a sea lion who popped his head out of the water to take a look at the tourists.
seconds later, the sea lion pulled her into the water.
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I'd just like to know what he intended to do with her. Was he going to eat the girl or did he intend to kidnap her, take her to his lair and force her to marry him.
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Have Jehovah's Witnesses Become Boring?
by David_Jay inokay, that new video about 1975 has got people talking, and yes, the child abuse cases will always require us to remain vigilant...but after my having left in the late 1980s/early 1990s, it seems all the real "exciting" stuff is gone.
when i left the witnesses were still preaching that the "generation that was old enough to understand the events of 1914" will not pass away before armageddon comes.
no blood cards were our badges (not that stupid jw logo) and that card meant what it said, "no blood"!
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Become boring?
As a religion, I cannot recall a time when they weren't the most boring one of all. The organization is deliberately and incorrigibly dull. It's the people who are interesting. They only seem boring because they are trying so hard to not appear interesting to each other..especially the elders. Trust me, scratch a JW and you'll find a character fit for a John Waters film (and I mean that in the most flattering way). I'm strongly tempted to share some of wonderfully weird ones I knew growing up; but that's another post.
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One of the most defining thing that made me question JW church after 27 years was seeing the funeral discourse outline.
by Chook init gave the poor bastard who past away no respect, hardly mentioned anything about the deceased.
yet hijacked the event with cult propaganda..
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When my dad died, my mom had a brother from the congregation do the funeral sermon. I'm not sure my dad would have approved given his feelings about religion and, to be frank, his platitudes about the resurrection hope seemed rather baseless since my dad had plenty of opportunities to convert while he was alive, but never did. In any case, it didn't offend me so much as leave me perplexed.
Still, it was nice of him to speak so well of someone who did not share his beliefs. JWs can be breathtakingly decent when they aren't shunning their friends and refusing to allow their children life-saving medical treatment. Granted, we are all multifaceted; but JWs can take it to Jekyll-Hyde extremes. If I didn't understand it when I was JW, I never will...
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Lot's Wife - Connect the dots - JW.org
by Funchback inyay!
now kids can help draw lot's wife getting destroyed.. .
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If they really want to send a message to children they ought to make one about the she-bear who mauled all those little boys to death for making fun of Elisha's shiny, bald head.
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What Is Brain Washing?
by Brokeback Watchtower ini don't think this applies to the watchtower corporation as the beginning this is talking about the more extreme forms.
but interesting just the same.
i'm sure we see some of the wt's depictions of death and and destruction(verbal and in pictures) that awaits those not in corporate "jehovah's" favor, a clear uses of inducing maximum fear and stress to make the mind more suggestable to corporate directives.
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What is brainwashing?
Childrearing
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10 Questions to annoy Jehovah's Witnesses
by TerryWalstrom inwe are sick with sin and we’re trying to get well, right?
2. when you hire a coach to get you to the playoffs and win the big game, yet you lose...lose...lose.... do you fire him, or, do you keep him on?
well, then, how do you explain fred franz being made president after the 1975 fiasco?.
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I'll bite.
1. Why wouldn’t Christians think of their congregation as a kind of hospital? We are sick with sin and we’re trying to get well, right? What hospital kicks the sick ones out the door and keeps the healthy ones?
True Christian congregations aren't hospitals, but refuges of cleanliness and spiritual nourishment in a sick and sinning world. If it were in a zombie apocalypse, would you allow a friend, no matter how much you loved him, into your safe house once he had been bitten by an undead abomination? Spiritual warfare is not for the weak and sentimental!
2. When you hire a coach to get you to the playoffs and win the big game, yet you lose...lose...lose.... do you FIRE him, or, do you keep him on? Well, then, how do you explain Fred Franz being made PRESIDENT after the 1975 fiasco?
I don't know what you are talking about.
3. Knowledge about life, medicine, science, astronomy, mathematics, physics, chemistry & history is greater and more abundant today than ever before. If you ignore higher education now--who is going to be the most clueless jackass in the room in the years to come?
In the years to come the real jackasses will be vulture food! What good will all their college degrees and 'Knowledge about life, medicine, science, astronomy, mathematics, physics, chemistry & history' do them if they are dead? There will be plenty of time to satisfy our curiosity about the universe in The New System.
4. In a dark room, you light a candle. If it is still too dark to see clearly—do you light a new candle and blow out the old one? Then, try again. Explain this New Light crap once more.
False analogy. The new light is more like dawn... it gets brighter and brighter as the sun rises on the horizon. The so called 'mistakes' of the GB are only shadows cast by the light of Jehovah's revelation...
5. Humility consists of open willingness to admit mistakes and explain your failures with a promise NEVER to do it again. Arrogance, on the other hand, says this:
"At times explanations given by Jehovah’s visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view. But this has not actually been the case."Are you seriously suggesting that Jehovah, almighty creator of the universe, should show humility towards you? If that isn't arrogance, I don't know what is! Before you accuse the GB of being arrogent, you ought to take a good look in the mirror,
6. A Faithful Servant does not tell guests what they should eat. A Wise Servant would not dare cry, “Dinner is being served” while the guests just sit and wait and wait--unless he needed to have his crazy ass fired!
Beggers can't be choosers and that's what we are: beggers at Jehovah's spiritual banquet. How dare you be so impudent as to demand to be served like a little, spoiled brat banging his plate against the table! What an enormous sense of entitlement you apostates have!
7. Peter denied Christ 3 separate times out of self-regard in the face of danger. Afterward, Jesus gave him the keys to the Kingdom Tell me again how any disfellowshipped person is WORSE?
Apostates comparing themselves to apostles now? Jesus saw into Peter's heart and forgave him. Jehovah sees into the heart of apostates and condembs them. Simple as that.
8. Willingness to die for a belief seems to be the delight of terrorists and every other radical fanatic. Why do Christians find it heroic too?
Apples and Oranges. You can't compare a nonviolent Christian martyr to a suicide bomber as if it were the same thing. How desperate you apostates must be to resort to such illogic!
9. Okay, you're telling me what "this generation" REALLY MEANS now.....so....um...what the hell was all that other crap YOU SAID IT MEANT?
So you misinterpreted what the GB taught and now when they try to clarify their teaching to you, you accuse them of being inconsistent? Are you serious?
10. My mother suffered the pangs of birth so I could have a life. She fed me, changed my diapers, held me, dried my tears, taught me right from wrong and was always there for me. What kind of low-life ingrate will it make me IF I turn my back on her now because she won't quit smoking….and you just DISFELLOWSHIPPED HER!!
Your mother may have gave birth to you and her mother before her and so on... but at the end of that causal chain there is Jehovah. Without Jehovah you would have no mother, so who do you owe your ultimate loyalty to? Your mother gave birth to you, but can she give you etenal life in a paradise earth? Will you choose your earthly mother or your heavenly father? Only an idiot would even consider this a choice worth pondering for even a second.
How did I do?
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What a terrible waste of talent! But it just goes to show how music can make a non sequitur like "the world is going to hell, therefore God will save us" sound compelling.
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The new personality
by longgone ini've been thinking about the changes we make within ourselves after leaving the wts cult.
i'm not referring to how we spend our time now that we actually have some, but who we have become, or working to be?.
the gb carries on and on about "stripping off the old personality and putting on the new one.
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I was discussing this very subject with my pen pal just the other day. She wasn't brought up in a religious home, but like me she was raised to be a goody-goody. I guess I'll just post what I wrote her:
I was the same way as a child until, I think, about twelve. Being good seemed to be all I was good at - or at any rate it is all I ever got any recognition for. I was seriously good. It wasn't just that I refrained from stealing or doing drugs or swearing (that is just not being bad), but I would actively devote most of my time to doing good works like studying the Bible, going to Church three times a week and devoting seven hours a week to evangelizing. But one day I realized that, though my mom and all these others admired me, I didn't like myself. When I looked at myself I saw a pompous, sanctimonious puritan who secretly both envied and resented all the people around him. They might have been immoral, but at least they seemed to like themselves.
So I stopped reading the Bible. I experimented with drugs, masturbated, dabbled in the occult, and sought out the very worst company I could find: drug addicts, thieves, bums, strippers, whores, homosexuals and even pedophiles. I took great relish in reading Charles Darwin, along with all the other books on the forbidden list. Instead of adjusting my moral compass to suit my new direction, I simply accepted that what I was doing was evil by most people's definition of that word. I liked doing it - the more bizarre and reprobate the act, the more pleasure I seemed to take in it until I found myself loving evil for itself and only itself. But even more seductive than the pleasure, was that for the first time in my life I liked the person I was becoming. I still despised the mask I had to wear in order to please others, but it was only a mask now; it wasn't really me.
I know it must sound childish to you, but I still see myself as an evil man with no desire to reform himself or be redeemed. To me, 'evil' is just a four letter word for freedom; being evil means you're allowed to do whatever you choose without having to justify yourself or apologize. There might be consequences, but you never regret anything any more than a scientist would regret a failed experiment. With evil, there are no limits. Good people aren't supposed to hate (though they do anyways), but evil people are allowed to love. Good people strive for a state of moral perfection, but there is no corresponding destination for those who are evil because there is always some deeper abyss to plumb; some further prejudice to violate.
You might think it strange that someone who's been a vegan and a vegetarian should consider himself evil, but I personally don't see animal welfare as a moral issue, but a matter of empathy. Morality is simply an abstract code of conduct a person adopts and attempts to impose on others, wheres empathy is the capacity to feel what others are feeling. To illustrate my point: when I was twelve years old one of my friends got caught with a joint of marijuana. His parents reported him to the elders, who announced his wrongdoing before the congregation on Sunday so everyone would know to shun him. Jehovah's Witnesses use shunning as a form of punishment. Anyone who is caught breaking the rules must sit at the back of the Kingdom Hall (church) and is not allowed to speak to anyone, nor can they be spoken to; and this condition persists for weeks, sometimes even months, until the elders decide to let them back in. Well, I spoke to him. I even visited him the same day his wrongdoing was announced. But I didn't do this because I believed it was the morally right thing to do; I did it because I cared more about my friend than I did about being a good person. I loved him and I didn't give a Canadian penny for their prick-in-the-ass God!
I suppose I could adopt a moral code that suited my tastes. I've studied Plato, Aristotle, Epictetus, Confucius, John Stuart Mill, Ayn Rand, Friedrich Nietzsche, Immanuel Kant - every moral philosopher of note - but aside from Confucius (who, in the end, cared more about kindness than doing the right thing) and Nietzsche (who was a sort of anti-moralist) I have found not one of their arguments compelling. I escaped morality once, why would I want to shackle myself with a new pair of cuffs, even if they do fit better? I'm afraid that I would revert to being an pompous ass; a fanatic with a new creed, but still a fanatic. No, I will remain immoral. There is so much I haven't done yet. I don't want to leave this earth until I've tasted every sin, committed every crime, violated every taboo and experienced all there is to experience
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what is the craziest book the dubbers ever published?
by dogon inso i was wondering what book is the nuttiest they ever printed?
i know there are several in contention for first place but which is your vote for no 1?
also if you don't mind post a bit of what is in the book you pick to show why you picked it.
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David-Jay: They might as well have made up the whole thing from scratch because it is such a far cry from what's really there in the original-language texts.
Amen! I regret not being able to understand Hebrew myself, but I did once read a version of the Torah that purported to be a literal translation into English. Not only was the book actually readable (a far cry from most English translations I have read) but I was shocked to read that at one point Abraham actually curses God in His presence! Apparently Christians censored that part out if their 'translations'.