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  Leaving a small minority group.....

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has a profound influence on our life.

  on the one hand we have the background of our childhood, our upbringing, but when we leave and become apart of society, our witness traits and their set of beliefs are not tailored to fit in.

  however as i slowly learnt to know longer judge from the perspective of my witness life, i also learnt i am simply an ordinary person.

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  Rainbow_Troll

  Thanks for your reply Rebel.

  I guess you live in a much more liberal place than where I grew up. I crossdressed as a kid and got bullied rather violently for it; but the bullies weren't JWs, they were wordly kids.

  I still had to hide my books at school, but not because reading them could get me disfellowshipped, but because the wordly kids would take them away and destroy them just to spite me.

  I couldn't hold hands with my girlfriend, not because it was against biblical standards, but because it made her into a slut.

  I now live in a more liberal area where I can leave my book unattended and probably make out with my girlfriend in public if I had one. But I've also noticed that this place has its own prejudices and bigotries. Two examples come to mind:

  Being rich is cool here, but if you are homeless the police will harrass you in the dead of night for the terrible crime of sleeping in the park when no one else is there.I try to reason with people (especially the police who are doing this). But no one listens. According to them these bums CHOSE to be homeless because they are lazy. Right... they choose to live outside in the cold and the rain because that is so much easier than reporting to a McJob every day and doing a few hours of work.

  It's okay to be gay here, but I know this one guy whose now a registered "pedophile" because he had sex with a 14 year old when he was in his early 20s. I tried to defend the guy. I tied to educate people about just how provincial and modern our current age of consent is in the context of (even recent) history. I tried to help them see the situation from a different perspective, such as maybe the 14 years old's right to her own bodily integrity. But my rational arguments got drowned out by their moral indignation. I must be a pedophile myself or why else would I be defending these perverts (I was met with similar brilliant 'rebuttals' back in my home town when I defended gay friends).

  Humans don't need a spiritual justification for being assholes; a moral or political cause will do just fine.

  Okay. I'm sorry. Overcast days leave me depressed. I needed to vent and it got out of hand. End of rant.
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  Shun Glasses

  by Tallon in

  1. social
  2. humour

  saw this on another exjw site and had a good laugh.. hope you get a kick out of it too ;).

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb2wzmfccdq&feature=youtu.be.

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  Rainbow_Troll

  I want a pair!
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  Origin of shunning

  by anointed1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  satan loves his own people and hates those who do not share his views, hence only he can use shunning as a weapon.. on the contrary, god is love (agape = unconditional love), cannot have his own people.

  (mathew 5:44-48).

  all the accounts not in conformity with this principle originated from cleric’s pen (jeremiah 7:31; 8:8).

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  Rainbow_Troll

  “He drew a circle that shut me out-

  Heretic , rebel, a thing to flout.

  But love and I had the wit to win:

  We drew a circle and took him In!"

  ~ 'Outwitted', Edwin Markham

  
  
  
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  Do you think I should get something for my wife for her birthday?

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife is still nominally in, but only because it "makes me (her) happy".

  there is nothing academic about her beliefs and when i try, she interprets me as negative.. but then she cusses like a sailor and watches certain movies with me.

  her birthday is coming up and it's also right around valentine's day.

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  Rainbow_Troll

  You might want to try giving it directly after her Bday. JWs are legalists after all, and this always worked for my mother.
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  undeserved kindness vs. grace

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  undeserved kindness means- you puny humans are irredemable and worthless, but because i am such a benevolent and magnanimous god.

  i give you a way for salvation.

  but you better keep working day in and day out for the rest of your miserable lives and perhaps i'll save you on my day of wrath.

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  Rainbow_Troll

  "If someone says to us that God has rights but not responsibilities because He is stronger than we are, we say that this is what we mean by an impious saying. He may even dare to add that God is everything to us, but we are nothing to Him, whereas the contrary is true. God, who is infinitely greater than us, contracted an infinite debt in putting us into the world. He has dug the pit of human weakness which only He can fill in."

  ~ Eliphas Levi

  
  
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  Leaving a small minority group.....

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has a profound influence on our life.

  on the one hand we have the background of our childhood, our upbringing, but when we leave and become apart of society, our witness traits and their set of beliefs are not tailored to fit in.

  however as i slowly learnt to know longer judge from the perspective of my witness life, i also learnt i am simply an ordinary person.

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  Rainbow_Troll

  I envy you. When I was in the WT I may have felt alienated from mainsteam society, but at least I felt at home in the KH.

  Now I just feel alienated, period.

  I am very keen to understand how you can feel such solidarity with mainstream society. Isn't it just a cult writ large with its own silly rules and prejudices? Its own outgroups?

  Being a JW has made me cynical of all groups because I can see the same patterns of behavior in them all. For that reason I've rejected the idea of being a member of any group; though I do have friends.
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  Watchtower No.3 2017 - The Four Horesmen

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is the first time i've read through a watchtower magazine in about a year.

  although i've been our only 8 months it really git me how crazy i must have sounded when i was a jw talking to non jws.. while other bible based religions talk about the 4 horsemen and back up their theories with other scriptures or historical evidence, the watchtower have taken so such steps.

  1914 is thrown in there as if it's universally agreed that jesus started ruling since then.. even when i was a jw i never really understood why, if the pale horse represents jesus, why is he first?

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  Rainbow_Troll

  In most Christian eschatologies I am familar with Jesus has a duel role. In his first incarnation he could be described as peaceful because his mission was to become a human sacrifice to free humanity from the debt of sin.

  However, now that this has been achieved, his role has changed. In his second coming he will act as judge and executioner of those who refuse to accept him as lord, hence his inclusion as one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
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  Origin of shunning

  by anointed1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  satan loves his own people and hates those who do not share his views, hence only he can use shunning as a weapon.. on the contrary, god is love (agape = unconditional love), cannot have his own people.

  (mathew 5:44-48).

  all the accounts not in conformity with this principle originated from cleric’s pen (jeremiah 7:31; 8:8).

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  Rainbow_Troll

  So... Jehovah is Satan?
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  Why do you get upset about family shunning you?

  by mr_doubtful in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i understand people love their family but i also don't understand why you end up caring in the end.

  i'm ready to leave and i 100% don't expecting my family to have any contact with me nor do i want them to contact me.

  if they are going to chose a man made religion over me, that's their choice and i will sleep easy at night.

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  Rainbow_Troll

  All I know for certain is what is here and now. My children are only young once. When they are grown it's over. When my nieces, nephews, and friends children are grown I will never get back the time when we could have enriched each others lives. This is one of the many reasons I mourn the shunning policy. Life is precious and short, and we waste so much time with nonsense that it's depressing.
  

  I know how you feel. Two of my friends are married now; but I wasn't invited (or even informed) about the weddings and I haven't met either of their spouses. If it weren't for Facebook I wouldn't know anything.
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  Conditional Love

  by Saethydd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've noticed several posts recently claiming that jw friends and family members give out conditional love.

  well, i'm not so sure that is entirely accurate, in fact, i would say they tend to be very steadfast in their love.

  the issue is this, they have been taught a poor form of love.

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  Rainbow_Troll

  I suppose that if a JW sincerely believes that:

  1. Apostates will be killed in Armegeddon and
  2. Shunning an apostate will motivate them to return to the fold

  Then shunning could be a (misguided) display of love or a form of "tough love". However, I often got the impression as a JW that it was really more about protecting one's own reputation by not consorting with unclean people like apostates and nonbelievers. Apostasy is analogous to a disease and so the wisest thing to do is to enforce a quarantine until the diseased person is cured.