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  What Is Brain Washing?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

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  i don't think this applies to the watchtower corporation as the beginning this is talking about the more extreme forms.

  but interesting just the same.

  i'm sure we see some of the wt's depictions of death and and destruction(verbal and in pictures) that awaits those not in corporate "jehovah's" favor, a clear uses of inducing maximum fear and stress to make the mind more suggestable to corporate directives.

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  Rainbow_Troll

  What is brainwashing?

  Childrearing
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  10 Questions to annoy Jehovah's Witnesses

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  we are sick with sin and we’re trying to get well, right?

  2. when you hire a coach to get you to the playoffs and win the big game, yet you lose...lose...lose.... do you fire him, or, do you keep him on?

  well, then, how do you explain fred franz being made president after the 1975 fiasco?.

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  I'll bite.

  1. Why wouldn’t Christians think of their congregation as a kind of hospital? We are sick with sin and we’re trying to get well, right? What hospital kicks the sick ones out the door and keeps the healthy ones?

  True Christian congregations aren't hospitals, but refuges of cleanliness and spiritual nourishment in a sick and sinning world. If it were in a zombie apocalypse, would you allow a friend, no matter how much you loved him, into your safe house once he had been bitten by an undead abomination? Spiritual warfare is not for the weak and sentimental!

  2. When you hire a coach to get you to the playoffs and win the big game, yet you lose...lose...lose.... do you FIRE him, or, do you keep him on? Well, then, how do you explain Fred Franz being made PRESIDENT after the 1975 fiasco?

  I don't know what you are talking about.

  3. Knowledge about life, medicine, science, astronomy, mathematics, physics, chemistry & history is greater and more abundant today than ever before. If you ignore higher education now--who is going to be the most clueless jackass in the room in the years to come?

  In the years to come the real jackasses will be vulture food! What good will all their college degrees and 'Knowledge about life, medicine, science, astronomy, mathematics, physics, chemistry & history' do them if they are dead? There will be plenty of time to satisfy our curiosity about the universe in The New System.

  4. In a dark room, you light a candle. If it is still too dark to see clearly—do you light a new candle and blow out the old one? Then, try again. Explain this New Light crap once more.

  False analogy. The new light is more like dawn... it gets brighter and brighter as the sun rises on the horizon. The so called 'mistakes' of the GB are only shadows cast by the light of Jehovah's revelation...

  5. Humility consists of open willingness to admit mistakes and explain your failures with a promise NEVER to do it again. Arrogance, on the other hand, says this:
  "At times explanations given by Jehovah’s visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view. But this has not actually been the case."

  Are you seriously suggesting that Jehovah, almighty creator of the universe, should show humility towards you? If that isn't arrogance, I don't know what is! Before you accuse the GB of being arrogent, you ought to take a good look in the mirror,

  6. A Faithful Servant does not tell guests what they should eat. A Wise Servant would not dare cry, “Dinner is being served” while the guests just sit and wait and wait--unless he needed to have his crazy ass fired!

  Beggers can't be choosers and that's what we are: beggers at Jehovah's spiritual banquet. How dare you be so impudent as to demand to be served like a little, spoiled brat banging his plate against the table! What an enormous sense of entitlement you apostates have!

  7. Peter denied Christ 3 separate times out of self-regard in the face of danger. Afterward, Jesus gave him the keys to the Kingdom Tell me again how any disfellowshipped person is WORSE?

  Apostates comparing themselves to apostles now? Jesus saw into Peter's heart and forgave him. Jehovah sees into the heart of apostates and condembs them. Simple as that.

  8. Willingness to die for a belief seems to be the delight of terrorists and every other radical fanatic. Why do Christians find it heroic too?

  Apples and Oranges. You can't compare a nonviolent Christian martyr to a suicide bomber as if it were the same thing. How desperate you apostates must be to resort to such illogic!

  9. Okay, you're telling me what "this generation" REALLY MEANS now.....so....um...what the hell was all that other crap YOU SAID IT MEANT?

  So you misinterpreted what the GB taught and now when they try to clarify their teaching to you, you accuse them of being inconsistent? Are you serious?

  10. My mother suffered the pangs of birth so I could have a life. She fed me, changed my diapers, held me, dried my tears, taught me right from wrong and was always there for me. What kind of low-life ingrate will it make me IF I turn my back on her now because she won't quit smoking….and you just DISFELLOWSHIPPED HER!!

  Your mother may have gave birth to you and her mother before her and so on... but at the end of that causal chain there is Jehovah. Without Jehovah you would have no mother, so who do you owe your ultimate loyalty to? Your mother gave birth to you, but can she give you etenal life in a paradise earth? Will you choose your earthly mother or your heavenly father? Only an idiot would even consider this a choice worth pondering for even a second.

  How did I do?
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  The Proof is all Around Us

  by suavojr in

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  https://youtu.be/8imamwcet1c.

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  What a terrible waste of talent! But it just goes to show how music can make a non sequitur like "the world is going to hell, therefore God will save us" sound compelling.
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  The new personality

  by longgone in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've been thinking about the changes we make within ourselves after leaving the wts cult.

  i'm not referring to how we spend our time now that we actually have some, but who we have become, or working to be?.

  the gb carries on and on about "stripping off the old personality and putting on the new one.

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  I was discussing this very subject with my pen pal just the other day. She wasn't brought up in a religious home, but like me she was raised to be a goody-goody. I guess I'll just post what I wrote her:

  I was the same way as a child until, I think, about twelve. Being good seemed to be all I was good at - or at any rate it is all I ever got any recognition for. I was seriously good. It wasn't just that I refrained from stealing or doing drugs or swearing (that is just not being bad), but I would actively devote most of my time to doing good works like studying the Bible, going to Church three times a week and devoting seven hours a week to evangelizing. But one day I realized that, though my mom and all these others admired me, I didn't like myself. When I looked at myself I saw a pompous, sanctimonious puritan who secretly both envied and resented all the people around him. They might have been immoral, but at least they seemed to like themselves.

  So I stopped reading the Bible. I experimented with drugs, masturbated, dabbled in the occult, and sought out the very worst company I could find: drug addicts, thieves, bums, strippers, whores, homosexuals and even pedophiles. I took great relish in reading Charles Darwin, along with all the other books on the forbidden list. Instead of adjusting my moral compass to suit my new direction, I simply accepted that what I was doing was evil by most people's definition of that word. I liked doing it - the more bizarre and reprobate the act, the more pleasure I seemed to take in it until I found myself loving evil for itself and only itself. But even more seductive than the pleasure, was that for the first time in my life I liked the person I was becoming. I still despised the mask I had to wear in order to please others, but it was only a mask now; it wasn't really me.

  I know it must sound childish to you, but I still see myself as an evil man with no desire to reform himself or be redeemed. To me, 'evil' is just a four letter word for freedom; being evil means you're allowed to do whatever you choose without having to justify yourself or apologize. There might be consequences, but you never regret anything any more than a scientist would regret a failed experiment. With evil, there are no limits. Good people aren't supposed to hate (though they do anyways), but evil people are allowed to love. Good people strive for a state of moral perfection, but there is no corresponding destination for those who are evil because there is always some deeper abyss to plumb; some further prejudice to violate.

  You might think it strange that someone who's been a vegan and a vegetarian should consider himself evil, but I personally don't see animal welfare as a moral issue, but a matter of empathy. Morality is simply an abstract code of conduct a person adopts and attempts to impose on others, wheres empathy is the capacity to feel what others are feeling. To illustrate my point: when I was twelve years old one of my friends got caught with a joint of marijuana. His parents reported him to the elders, who announced his wrongdoing before the congregation on Sunday so everyone would know to shun him. Jehovah's Witnesses use shunning as a form of punishment. Anyone who is caught breaking the rules must sit at the back of the Kingdom Hall (church) and is not allowed to speak to anyone, nor can they be spoken to; and this condition persists for weeks, sometimes even months, until the elders decide to let them back in. Well, I spoke to him. I even visited him the same day his wrongdoing was announced. But I didn't do this because I believed it was the morally right thing to do; I did it because I cared more about my friend than I did about being a good person. I loved him and I didn't give a Canadian penny for their prick-in-the-ass God!

  I suppose I could adopt a moral code that suited my tastes. I've studied Plato, Aristotle, Epictetus, Confucius, John Stuart Mill, Ayn Rand, Friedrich Nietzsche, Immanuel Kant - every moral philosopher of note - but aside from Confucius (who, in the end, cared more about kindness than doing the right thing) and Nietzsche (who was a sort of anti-moralist) I have found not one of their arguments compelling. I escaped morality once, why would I want to shackle myself with a new pair of cuffs, even if they do fit better? I'm afraid that I would revert to being an pompous ass; a fanatic with a new creed, but still a fanatic. No, I will remain immoral. There is so much I haven't done yet. I don't want to leave this earth until I've tasted every sin, committed every crime, violated every taboo and experienced all there is to experience
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  what is the craziest book the dubbers ever published?

  by dogon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was wondering what book is the nuttiest they ever printed?

  i know there are several in contention for first place but which is your vote for no 1?

  also if you don't mind post a bit of what is in the book you pick to show why you picked it.

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  David-Jay: They might as well have made up the whole thing from scratch because it is such a far cry from what's really there in the original-language texts.

  Amen! I regret not being able to understand Hebrew myself, but I did once read a version of the Torah that purported to be a literal translation into English. Not only was the book actually readable (a far cry from most English translations I have read) but I was shocked to read that at one point Abraham actually curses God in His presence! Apparently Christians censored that part out if their 'translations'.
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  I want to know what celebrations JWs don't consider pagan?

  by Chook in

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  i could only think of weddings and wedding anniversaries .

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  I don't think they could regard Thanksgiving as pagan since it was inaugurated by Christians, but it's still against the rules. Really, the whole "it's pagan objection" is just an excuse to isolate JWs from non-JW family members.
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  Saudi Man Sentenced To Death For Atheism

  by Bangalore in

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  2. current

  saudi man sentenced to death for atheism.. http://www.newsweek.com/saudi-man-sentenced-death-after-declaring-himself-atheist-online-video-591473.

  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-atheism-ahmad-al-shamri-hafar-al-batin-appeal-denied-a7703161.html.

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  Hothabenaro: Islam and acting civilized are incompatible. To a real Muslim, rape is allowed and even murder. It is what happens when u worship a pedo.

  Cofty: It is entirely in keeping with the commands of the pedopile prophet

  I don't admire Muhammad, but whether or not he was a pedophile seems irrelevant to the discussion. I've known good people who happened to be pedos through no fault of their own; being attracted to children doesn't automatically make someone an evil mass murderer.

  What's wrong with Muhammad is that he succeeded where Charlie Manson failed by starting a murderous cult that somehow became a major world religion. That's what people should be focusing on, not his alleged sexual peccadillos.
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  Saudi Man Sentenced To Death For Atheism

  by Bangalore in

  1. social
  2. current

  saudi man sentenced to death for atheism.. http://www.newsweek.com/saudi-man-sentenced-death-after-declaring-himself-atheist-online-video-591473.

  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-atheism-ahmad-al-shamri-hafar-al-batin-appeal-denied-a7703161.html.

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  Is his man is being executed for atheism specifically, or just apostasy? I mean, if he were Jewish and said he no longer believed in God, would the Saudi government execute him for that?
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  How do the GB micro-manage people's lives today?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how do the gb micro-manage people's lives today?one example is their micro management in dress and grooming.

  eg their view of beards.

  elders in most congs will take a brother to a corner and remind him why jws don't grow beards.

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  Millie210: Then there is the birth control policy. No IUDs and no morning after pill. You are not supposed to use any contraception that could interfere with implantation. During this same time period, vasectomies were a no-no if you wanted to be a Pioneer or servant.

  I stand corrected.
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  How do the GB micro-manage people's lives today?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how do the gb micro-manage people's lives today?one example is their micro management in dress and grooming.

  eg their view of beards.

  elders in most congs will take a brother to a corner and remind him why jws don't grow beards.

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  How does the GB micromanage the lives of JWs?

  Answer: Any way they can.

  A better question might be: In what areas does the GB not micromanage their lives?

  Despite the oft quoted phrase "matter of conscience" that you occasionally find in the Watchtower, there are precious few areas where those crochety old men don't intrude. Diet. The consumption of alcohol. The decision to use contraception. These are the only places I can recall where JWs are actually allowed to think through an ethical dilemma using their own brain; though I anticipate that the GB will eventually get around to shoring up these holes in their net of control (it's not like they have anything better to do). Even completely non-ethical issues, like dress and grooming, are decided for JWs in advance. Everything not forbidden is compulsory.