It takes more fuel to get a car up to speed than to keep it at the same speed. WTC was already struggling to motivate the R&F BEFORE the pandemic. They coasted to a stop. No matter how hard they push and threaten, the R&F are not speeding up to pre-pandemic levels. The harder they push, the worse it seems to get. I am cautiously beginning to think that this may be the end for them. I could be wrong...
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How things are in JW land right now?
by Hellothere inany news about how going back to kingdom halls and door to door ministry going right now?
are there many people at meetings and meetings before going out in service as congregation?.
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JWs near of losing their status a religious organization in Norway
by Festus inlast spring norweigian state refused to give public contribution to jws (religious organisations can apply that in norway and previously wtbs has been granted that).
the decision was caused because of practise of disfellowshpiping.. now there is a new twist.. 25.10.2022 authorites in norway send a letter to wtbs and told them that they have four weeks to fix that practise.
if they don't do that they will loose their status as a religiouse organisation.. intrestingly jws did not "understand" what authorites meant by that and requested more time.. how can they not understand?
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...and taking blood transfusions.
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Spot the double-talk
by neat blue dog inwho can spot the double-talk in this quote from a new pr brochure series meant for government and media relations?.
the religious activity of jehovah’s witnesses worldwide is overseen by an administrative body, which jehovah’s witnesses refer to as “the governing body.” this group follows the pattern of the first century “apostles and elders” in jerusalem, who shared bible-based information and enabled individual believers to make their own decisions.
(acts 15:2) the governing body recognizes that each individual “will carry his own load” and respects his right of free will to make decisions, as he will bear the responsibility for the results..
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"each individual “will carry his own load” ... "he will bear the responsibility for the results" is code for:
CROSS US AND WE WILL DF YOU, MAKE SURE YOU ARE SHUNNED, AND GENERALLY TRY TO MAKE YOUR LIFE MISERABLE.
The dishonesty of thIS religion is astounding. No one is encouraged to make their own decisions. WTC makes the decisions and the R&F parrot them. It's time for the gov't to revoke their tax exempt status.
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That wife who was raped at Watchtower Farms; can seek justice, starting tomorrow.
by was a new boy ini recall reading here that a wife was raped at watchtower farms some years ago (can't find it here anymore) by a another bethelite wearing a red flannel shirt.
they found his shirt and booted him.. 'hundreds of new york women are about to sue alleged rapists (and enablers) under a revolutionary new law.
watch out, donald trump.. .
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Did they call the police when she reported the CRIME?
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Red Flags identifying Jehovah's Witnesses as a Cult
by Vanderhoven7 inwhat are some of the red flags that should alert people to the fact that jehovah's witnesses are a high control and damaging religion?.
one that comes to mind is.
1. one cannot leave jehovah's witnesses with one's reputation intact.
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When almost every JW family is either shunning or at war with at least one member of their family. This religion has caused more dysfunctionality and division within the family arrangement than any other religion on the surface of this earth. They try to justify the practice by quoting Jesus, but his words have been twisted. Jesus did not command believers to other family members. His words indicate that non-believers would decide to stop being brotherly to believers - not the opposite.
Please take some time and list the number of families you have known who now have one member marked or shunned. It should be an eye-opener.
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That wife who was raped at Watchtower Farms; can seek justice, starting tomorrow.
by was a new boy ini recall reading here that a wife was raped at watchtower farms some years ago (can't find it here anymore) by a another bethelite wearing a red flannel shirt.
they found his shirt and booted him.. 'hundreds of new york women are about to sue alleged rapists (and enablers) under a revolutionary new law.
watch out, donald trump.. .
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Beth Sarim - you are 100% on point. WTC tried to use me as a fixer to gather estates whose owners did not want to donate. Their behavior was shameful and I was embarassed to be associated with them.
Money is their obsession, similar to other charlatans who fleece their flocks. But in WTC's case, they also go after the treasure in other flocks. Meanwhile, they are not charitable although they enjoy charitable status in most countries that they operate in.
The average JW has no idea of the extent they will go to chase a dollar.
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Looking at things from Jehovah's perspective...actually, the Watchtower Society's perspective
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe watchtower—study edition | march 2022. study article 12. do you see what zechariah saw?.
11. what challenges do some of jehovah’s worshippers face today?.
11 change is challenging for many of us.
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LHG - You see through WTC but so many do not. I give this a lot of thought on a regular basis and I still don't have a clear answer as to why this is. I know of:
1. Some very intelligent JWs who are not experiencing the detrimental effects of WTC in a severe fashion and they do not acknowledge that it is happening.
2. Others who are not so bright and are now suffering the consequences of following WTC still do not see the control in practice. They vow that the WTC magazine will only be pried out of their cold dead fingers.
3 Then there are the ones who recognize the control of WTC and fade or rebel against it. They may or may not have experienced detrimental life effects from supporting the organization.
In all 3 instances, ample proof was presented to each member but only some woke up, and rightfully left - like yourself. Why is that? There is clearly something missing in some people who are susceptible to cults and cannot leave. Any ideas what it might be? Anyone that ventures a theory or pschoanalysis, I really want to know.
Somehow I hope that we can identify a personality trait that can be reasoned with and maybe some poor souls can be helped.
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How many preaching hours are real
by Hellothere inhow much of the preaching hours in yearly report you think are real?
they always have high numbers preaching hours.
probably increase every decade.
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Sadly it is mostly games now, moreso than pre-pandemic IMO. I recall not being able to get fellow elders on the Body to go D2D. Most could not doit for one reason or another. If they did, it was just for a few minutes and they were off to an important pre-engagement. Our COBE would not go out in the D2D work for anything. When I realized that it was a lost cause, I stopped asking him to join me. On the larger body, only one MS was regularly out and he wnted to be appointed as an elder. He was not effective at the door.
So, I would have to swag a percentage of about 5% being actual preaching. Cart Witnessing IS NOT PREACHING, it is cart baby sitting. There are some zealous pioneers still doing something meaningful with their time but it is rare. When the hour requirement was dropped, all the new pio's jumped on the bandwagon but few increased their hours at all.
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Christmas, yes or no ?
by jhine ini have just started to steep the mincemeat for my mince pies in dark rum .
christmas is a big deal in my family and circle of friends.
however among ex jws it's a bit different or so l understand.
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Jan, it's an interesting question for me since I have not embraced the holidays. I guess because I never celebrated, it seems silly for me to start now. I don't criticize anyone who does celebrate though. Frankly, there is waaaay too much criticism in the world as it is.
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Which of you readers are being shunned by their relatives / friends ?
by stan livedeath ina simple " me" if you dont want to say more--or a short explanation about who is shunning you and how long has this been going on.. i'll set the ball rolling: my daughter--her husband and children; my younger son --no contact from them for 40 years...because i left their religion.. (edit--i just noticed the typo in the header--if should be of ).
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I faded and all my JW family now shuns me. Almost all of my old friends in the org shun me. Some have reached out to persuade me to return so I blocked them. I really hate that the religion has broken up so many families and friends. They truly are wicked and hateful. I could almost overlook the false doctrines, but the lack of love was too much to ignore. After all, true Christians are supposed to be identified by love - I never saw it...