were you ever on a congregation picnic?
i was on several occasions.. the arrangements were often announced from the platform after the closing song and prayer by the last elder up on the platform.. sometimes it was included in the service meeting announcements as "on saturday we're meeting at 10.00am at the kingdom hall for field service, and after field service for anyone who wishes, especially for the younger ones, we will be having a congregation picnic meeting at the beach carpark on seaview road.".
well, according to the new elders manual you won't be hearing those words again.
Translation: "If you sanction a congregation picnic and someone get molested or raped - it's on you. We are washing our hands (like Pilate) of any repercussions (which are likely given the problems we know we are having)."
P.S. - and no having fun - PERIOD!
isn`t that an admittion that they don`t have the "truth" ?
about god ?.
God had over 1300 pages (depending on the translation you use) to set the record straight about the pronunciation of his name, and many other things that people argue over endlessly, yet he left it open for different expressions and that is where we are 2000 years later.
Could it be that he actually does not care whether anyone pronounces it correctly? Maybe it is so complex that he doesn't expect us to be able to pronounce it. I don't claim to know. However, the Greek Scriptures don't contain it in any of the oldest manuscripts known - is that an indication of something? We are not perplexed about Yeshua (Jesus). Just my 2 cents...
i feel like i am burning another "friend" bridge.
i just can't seem to keep the lies the wt prints to myself!
i don't know how the pimo do it!
eie - I hope you didn't think I was criticizing your efforts. You are right that factual information can help those who are already questioning or on the fence. As for fully indoctrinated PIMIs, I think it is very very rare to see them swayed because they assume eveything contrary to WTC is apostate driven lies.
curious.
time goes by so fast.
who remembers 1975, the ray franz incident, the generation change in 1995, the blood fractions, alternative service, participation in ochr, aid afrique, the historical research by james pellechia, jolene chu and johannes stephan wrobel?
WTC is making a concerted effort to erase their history of false prophesies but it is a fool's errand. There are simply too many ways to show the redactions. They were quick to discredit Ray Franz and it was all hands on deck. A district overseer told me that Ray was sporting a clerical collar and forming a new church. Of course there was no truth in that at all. The D.O. never apologized for the lie/misinformation - I think he wanted it to be true.
As for the 6,000 years of man's history ending in 1975, the achaeological evidence of civilizations dating back to 12,000 old is overwhelming. Because it is impossible to discredit, WTC does not even try to explain the discrepancy, simply saying that carbon dating is inaccurate. (In fact, carbon dating is often inaccurate as it typically underestimates the age of the artifact.
Nevertheless, WTC proves that it has no focus on truth whatsoever. If you want to see if they are lying, watch their lips to see if they are moving.
i feel like i am burning another "friend" bridge.
i just can't seem to keep the lies the wt prints to myself!
i don't know how the pimo do it!
Sorry eie, but it is almost impossible to shake JWs out of their tree like almonds. From my experience, they either leave on their own or they don't leave at all.
My old friends and family shun me and I never sent them anything to expose WTC. I was never DF'd or DA'd but the result is the same - they hate me and I have no respect for them. Truthfully, the shunning made it easier to complete my fade and stay out. I see them for what they really are, and I will never go back. I have a new set of friends now and I am happier than I have ever been. And, I have no illusions that I can keep any old friends who are still in.
He was Jesus Cano, a Walkill bethelite who according to reports "traveled around the U.S." as part of his work at Bethel. He was 50 years old, caught in Chicago. The number of victims was very high, never announced the actual number.
How did WTC put that fire out? He was an ACTIVE Bethelite. Where are the lawsuits? Shame on you WTC!
from the faq as captured on the website with this question (how many jehovah's witnesses are there worldwide?
) led to this question of mine who do the organization sees as a jehovah's witness?
the organization answers: .
As to how manyJWs there really are now - consider this:
I suspect that the real number of members is closer to 4.5 million. WTC will never admit this as they massage the numbers to justify 8.5 million. Admitting the truth would result in further shrinkage.
mark writes.
"if a person accepts a blood transfusion, the jehovah’s witness elders are required to “investigate” to see if the person is sorry for “cowardly” saving their life.
if the person doesnt beg and grovel to the elders for allowing the doctor to save their life (or that of their child) then the elders can take this as a sign that he/she has disassociated from the congregation - and tell the congregation to start shunning them.. if someone willingly takes blood, perhaps because of being under extreme pressure, the committee should obtain the facts and determine the individual’s attitude.
WTC has tried to relax the repercussions of accepting a BT for legal reasons. They also know that most JWs do not understand the blood policy and it's complexity/contradictions. They would like to drop it altogether but doing so would open a floodgate of lawsuits from JWs who were affected adversely by the policy. For all those who have lost family members, do some research to determine whether or not the policy is scriptural. It should be an eye-opener.
i have a friend in another state that doesn't know i disassociated.
i have come right out and said on more than one occasion when talking about what the bible says verses the wt, that we are being duped.
the person tends to agree but then buries their head in the sand and forgets.
Barbara Anderson is one of the most honest, accurate advocates for truth that I have ever known. Her research into the issues at WTC are beyond question from what I know and can testify to as a personal witness. Some well-intentioned persons have embellished or confused facts about WTC, but Barbara only writes what is confirmed as the actual facts. She rarely speculates, but on the rare occasion that she does, she clearly makes it known for what it is. Is my recommendation glowing enough?
There is a wealth of information available on her site.
There was a Walkill Bethelite years ago who was caught peeping at the airport and arrested. They traced his residence back to Bethel and showed up with a warrant to search his room. His personal closet was FULL of Child Sex Abuse material. He was a high-volume perpetrator.
Bethel DF'd him as quickly as possible at the jail to avoid the stigma that he was an active JW - well he was an active JW.
Personal closets were not cleaned by housekeepers, but they were shared by roomates. I never believed that others at Bethel didn't know that the guy was a serial child porn addict. Bethel keeps tabs on everyone there most of the time. It would be quite a challenge for his overseer and co-workers not to figure out that there was a problem.
He was sentenced to many years - I think he is still in prison.
