NotFormer - WTC knows what a rotten Rutherford was, yet they hang on to some of his unique teachings. Did he conjure that one up while in bed with one of his paramours? I wonder.
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Unacceptable type/antitype for JW'S.....
by BoogerMan in.........because it would cancel out their "upper & lower class christians" fairy story - aka the anointed & non-anointed.. antitype: the fleshly nation of israel and exodus foreigner converts were participants of the mosaic covenant.. type: christianity - the israel of god ("spiritual israel") and gentile converts became participants in the new covenant..
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Were we really meant to live forever?
by Leathercrop inour capacity for adaptation (there's an official term somewhere) is apparently very vast.
meaning that whatever is a novelty always becomes old news and apparently it happens very quickly.
human beings in fact have to put a lot of effort into not discarding valuable things and relationships because of our overwhelming tendency to become incredibly used to it and just plain bored with them.
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I always marveled that anyone thought that man was made to live forever. Nothing else in the material world lives forever. The angels only live as long as they are faithful (according to JWs). So what is their lifespan without being "charged up" while continuing to be faithful? JW's teach that only God, Jesus and the 144K have immortality. They rest can only hope to have everlasting life. For a lot of people, that seems to be enough, but there is a lot to say about getting everlasting life.
I am not in the camp that says life would be boring. There seems to be an unlimited number of endeavors that one could explore. But I will need a good car - let me just add that.
Eve told the serpent that she and Adam could eat from "all" the trees except from one, the tree of knowledge. When they were expelled from the garden, the cherubs blocked entrance to prevent them from eating from the tree of life. I don't believe the tree had any special powers, but as long as they ate from it (which must have been whenever they wanted), they got "recharged" and continued to live. It was only an assurance that God would give them continued vitality. Letting them resume eating from that tree would have signaled that God had forgiven them - something that he did not seem inclined to do.
My conclusion is that man can only live when being "recharged", or revitalized. Otherwise, our telemeres get shorter with each cell replication and we age, then eventually die. Humans were DESIGNED to age and die, just like all other creations.
Is God prepared to do this forever on our behalf? That is the the real question for me. If you have the answer - let's hear it.
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JW lose case against victims
by enoughisenough incaught this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud7uob6zck4.
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Eric, your explanation was excellent! Well done!!!
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What If The Tower Fell?
by Big Dog inwhat if the truly unthinkable happened and the tower went down?
perhaps the irs swooped in and claimed fraud and padlocked the headquarters and kingdom hall doors?
or the gb took the money and ran to a nice non-extradition country to live out their years?
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One problem with resurrecting it from the ashes after a dramatic shutdown is the disposition of the KHs. WTC owns them. They probably have most leveraged to the hilt now to have enough cash for CSA settlements, but for the cash left in them, they won’t completely walk away. It would soon become known who was pulling the strings to extract the remaining value.
The Argentina facility exists for a reason. I suspect that it will eventually serve its purpose.
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No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?
by Sea Breeze inthose who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.
- the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".
kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).
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The GB just adds some grease to the steering wheel of the organization whenever they are ready to make a hairpin turn. However, these turns do not represent any significant deviation from their large body of false teachings. AND - they can add new wacky restrictions to compensate for newly granted freedoms.
Ex. At assemblies, monitors were in the restrooms purportedly to identify empty stalls, and to control the misuse of paper towels. In reality, they were concerned about illicit activity that might be occurring in the stalls. I used to wonder if they were going to start weighing the publishers before and after they used the restrooms…
WTC cannot help but stumble across its own ridiculous rules. They insisted on measuring field service activity as if God himself were waiting in the monthly report. When the numbers be ame too discouraging to publish, POOF!! They ended it overnight. I guess that God didn’t care so much after all about the monthly report.
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If 1914 gets tossed
by Leathercrop init feels like the change in reporting of hours becomes a fundamentally bigger deal every day.
the weight and importance placed on quantity was enormous, and now it's just gone.
even tho most witnesses really didn't keep "accurate" records so to speak hehehe.... this could very well be a precursor to even bigger doctrinal changes, like 1914. damn, would would happen then?.
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They started using the word “about” because for many years, they said Jesus established the Kingdom in heaven, THEN war broke out and Satan and his supporters were kicked out, down to the earth where they caused international divisions which lead to WW1.
But some in recent years questioned the timing since WW1 started in July, but the Kingdom was not established until October (according to their timeline. So they inserted “about” so thet they could say that war broke out in heaven “about” 1914 and could have even been before the Kingdom was established. This allowed for the change without addressing the dogmatic statements made about the Kingsom coming before the ousting. Problem solved!!
Words matter with Watchtower and they like to redact dogmatic statements with words that allow them to be right whether they are or are not.
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Just had a thought…
by Vidiot ini been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….
…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….
…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….
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A CO complained to me once about some sleeping in the audience during his talk. I remarked that I saw none asleep when conducting the Tower. Probably not the right thing to say but it was true.
The problems in the org now are the result of Russell, Rutherford, Knorr and the GB. They hate what is happening but they caused it.
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Are Jw's God's Organization?
by wantingtruth inhere i will quote a post written by "littleone" on another forum:.
when that original congregation apostasized, it formed the roman catholic church.
was it that the roman catholic church was jehovah's organization?
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Christianity developed the way a muddy bog settles until water can be seen on top. More water flows in and it becomes known as a lake.
WTC had painters that worked hand in hand with dreamy doctrine makers to create a narrative that makes Gene Roddenberry seem like a cavemen by comparison.
i get a laugh at the way WTC describes the formation of Christianity, followed by their own selection by God himself.
Pass me the Miracle Wheat please!
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Life in a spiritual (UN)-paradise
by Reasonfirst ina long, long time ago, when i was young, i became a 'special' pioneer.
it meant that i had to spend 150 hours a month, and i received a small allowance.
i was then assigned to a small country congregation, in western nsw (australia).
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Sounds paradisaic to me - similar to the dysfunctional congregation I was born into. It was filled with the outcasts of society for the most part. Drunks, weirdos, at least one pedo, anointed nutters who were such bad examples that they could not be given parts on the meetings, and the wildest teenagers imagineable, who brought so much reproach that almost all were DFd. A REAL PARADISE!!!
Can you see yourself there? I bet you can if you just look at your own congregation :-)
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The ''dreaded'' birthday cake
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe watchtower—study edition | september 2023. study article 39. let mildness be your strength.
11 if a workmate asks, for example, why we do not celebrate birthdays, consider: could he be wondering whether we are allowed to have a good time?
or might he feel that our position will dampen the company’s team spirit?
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R&R - can you also add that JWs don’t celebrate because they are contrarians, Debbie-Downers, who can’t help but poke others in the eye with a stick at every opportunity, going so far beyond what is written that they are indistinguishable as a Christian religion.
Thanks! You are the best! THE BEST!!
LHG - by golly you nailed it exactly!!!! You are the best! THE VERY BEST!!!