Posts by moreconfusedthanever

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Chapter 37 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

by new boy in

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chapter 37. passing it down line.

how did i rationalized everything i had experienced growing up and what i saw at bethel?

no one wants to believe their whole life is a lie.

moreconfusedthanever

I was wondering when you would put the next installment up. Thank you.

Children are the reason I started to wake up. I was never going to force my kids into anything but wanted them to make their own minds up. One of my children is atheist and the other one said he could tell what we were being taught at the KH was all BS even before he became a teenager.

I keep explaining to the grandparents who blame me for their disinterest that even if my children were to get baptised because they all want them to, it wouldn't save them if they were not doing it for Jehovah. They say he is the reader of hearts so if their heart is not in it or they do it so that they can get a drivers licence (in reference to the Tony Morris talk) then it would be for nothing.

They say Jehovah draws ones. How does that work if your parents are pushing you?

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Unwritten Theory

by moreconfusedthanever in

have any of you heard some theories from jws that are not based on scripture?

i have, in the past few days, heard a couple that have me shaking my head.. first one is that since satan was around during the creation period and probably watched on as things were being made, it is possible that he is responsible for the creation of some of the more hideous and nasty creatures that live among us.

surely god wouldn't make horrible things.. second one is that satan already had a bad attitude before the creation of adam and eve and was collecting followers among the other angels early on and stirring trouble.

moreconfusedthanever

Have any of you heard some theories from JWs that are not based on scripture?

I have, in the past few days, heard a couple that have me shaking my head.

First one is that since Satan was around during the creation period and probably watched on as things were being made, it is possible that he is responsible for the creation of some of the more hideous and nasty creatures that live among us. Surely god wouldn't make horrible things.

Second one is that Satan already had a bad attitude before the creation of Adam and Eve and was collecting followers among the other angels early on and stirring trouble. This one really annoyed me. If that theory were in the least bit true then the whole issue of the bible and Adam and Eve's sin would be void. If Satan was already a s**t stirrer before humans came on the scene, he should have been dealt with then and not allowed to corrupt yet more creation.

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Is There Any Thing That Would Make A JW SERIOUSLY Question Their Religion?

by minimus in

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i realize that jehovah’s witnesses have been dumbed down for long time now.

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still, i think there must be something that would make them really question their beliefs, even their life.. i think that if witnesses were told they could take blood or that disfellowshipping was unloving, they might stop and take a hard look at everything they have sacrificed their lives for.. i know the organization has muddled these subjects before but the i think even die hard witnesses might start to second guess the governing body..

moreconfusedthanever

From my own experiences with family still in nothing will have them sway. They want the live forever in paradise with your resurrected loved ones and no amount of scandal and negative personal experiences will shake them awake.

Everything we say is written off as Satan influencing our minds to take us from Jehovah. Every Injustice is committed by imperfect humans and not Jehovah and therefore we must not leave Jehovah because of what imperfect man does.

Leave it in Jehovah's hands. He will fix it in his own time. Remember he is very patient with mankind because he loves everyone.

It's hard but I have to shut up and leave them to their delusion. They couldn't survive the wake up.

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The prayer switch

by Sour Grapes in

something that i have often thought about is how does god know when our thoughts go from normal thoughts to when we say a silent prayer?

does god listen to all of the thoughts of earth's 8,000,000,000 people 24/7 and when one person goes into prayer mode then god's ears perk up with an "incoming" alert?

then he has to decide if he answers the prayers to help a brother with cancer or just let the poor guy die.

moreconfusedthanever

That is a very interesting question and something I have never given any thought to. I do wonder why people actually believe Jehovah will help them find their lost keys for instance but have no issue with the fact that he doesn't help the ones with Cancer etc.

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How Would You Console A Witness Who Has Lost A Loved One?

by minimus in

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let’s say that you haven’t been around a kingdom hall in years and everyone knows you are not a “true believer “ anymore.

yet a tragedy strikes and you want to give a real heartfelt expression of your feelings— what would you say?

would you acknowledge the resurrection hope that the witnesses entertain or say something very different?.

moreconfusedthanever

I remember when my dad passed away. We had a memorial service for him at our local kingdom hall. Over 400 turned up. I wondered where all these people were in his life while he was alive because they sure were not friends. Anyway I digress.

Every single JW person in the hall wanted to come and offer their condolences in person. What a long afternoon that was! And every single JW person offered the same words "you will see him again in the new system", "its such a comfort that we have the resurrection hope".

Guess what? It is not a freaking comfort at all! I remember saying to my husband that the next person who says that to me is going to get punched in the face. I was still "in the truth" at the time and I found no comfort in the resurrection hope at all. I wanted my dad here now. I wanted him to see his grandchildren grow up and teach them what he knows. I wanted to be able to have conversations with him and hug him and he was gone. Even if I did survive the big A who knows how long it would be before he came back to us. I remember one talk at a convention the brother said we may have to wait 400 years or more to see our loved ones back because they were not all coming back at once. What?!!

So the next time I had to write a condolence card to a sister I just wrote something like this

"Nothing will take away the pain and grief that you feel now. In time you will find comfort and happiness in remembering the good times and appreciating that you had your loved one in your life for as long as you did."

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Today's Text: Education Is Important... Not You, Higher Education!

by Divergent in

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tuesday, october 24. wisdom is good for you.

if you find it, you will have a future.—prov.

24:14.. as parents, you want your teenage children to remain spiritually healthy.

moreconfusedthanever

And they say they don't tear families apart. They say we all have our own free will.

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Pioneer Elder Still in Jail (follow up report)

by James Jack in

confirmed by a family friend and elder who lives in the area!

he was a pioneer elder in a port st lucie (river view congregation) fl, convention and assembly speaker, a"shining star" of the circuit and had served at bethel for several years.

was sexually abusing his step daughter from age 8 to 12. his wife has divorced him and moved back to tennessee.

moreconfusedthanever

punkofnice you are right. It is no longer shocking. Yet still you will find ones in the congregations who feel sorry for the accused because he said he didn't do it. There is a brother from my previous congregation in jail right now for pedophilia. "Oh he admitted guilt on the first charge but he says he didn't do anything to the second accuser". This is supposed to make me feel bad for him? He should have been in jail after the first time!!!

And my personal red flag "the two witness rule is there for a protection so that people cannot make accusations that are not true". What!!!???

I asked one of my family "does it not bother you that your donations will be going to pay for lawsuits such as the $66million suit brought against the society in Canada?" Answer "No this is what Jehovah wants of me. It says so. Jehovah will sort it out."

Wow! Just Wow!

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Random thought: Today is the 45 anniversary of my baptism

by NewYork44M in

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i was on the bus this morning and this thought came up while i was playing candy crush.

happy baptism birthday to me.

i was a mere child when baptized.

moreconfusedthanever

mine is coming up in a couple of days. 33 years ago. The two brothers from my congregation, who were also children at the time, are no longer "in the truth" either.

We were never going to finish school. Then we were never going to get married. Then we would never have children this side of the big A.

We never planned for our future and we never followed a career path. Now we may have to be a burden to our children in our retirement.

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Re: Mentally diseased

by carla in

i have been thinking about the mentally diseased belief/doctrine of jw's lately and the thread the other day about the mentally challenged child who was brutally (and humorously) honest at a convention got me to wonder something.

it seems to me that jw's use 'mentally diseased' in such a derogatory way as if it is a failing on the part of the person, or almost sinful (demons?

), or perhaps that person should just be dismissed on all counts all the time.

moreconfusedthanever

I have an autistic son. He doesn't believe that god exists. His mind needs evidence, definitive proof of everything. Blind faith - nope wont have a bar of it.

I often think that the increase diagnosis of autism will one day see the majority of the population unable to grasp the concept of a God. The Autistic mind will become the norm and the neurotypicals will be the odd ones. One well known psychologist Tony Attwood has said that autism may be the next step in evolution.

The autistic mind is pretty awesome. They are not pretenders or fake. They say it as it as they see it. I for one enjoy the honesty.

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Today's Text: Education Is Important... Not You, Higher Education!

by Divergent in

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tuesday, october 24. wisdom is good for you.

if you find it, you will have a future.—prov.

24:14.. as parents, you want your teenage children to remain spiritually healthy.

moreconfusedthanever

It says teenage children. You need to force and insist that the teenagers believe because by this time they have worked out it is all BS. Blackmail them into baptism by withholding basic rights such as a driver's licence.

Threaten them with cutting them off that way they will love Jehovah and the Org all the more.