valid point indeed. If applied indiscriminately, everything people do will come into question. Even from those in the GB to those who zealously cooperate with elders do so because of privilege-mindedness--exactly what Satan theorized!
anointed1
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Disfellowshipping - Quid Pro Quo - Satan's Accusation
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if under jw doctrine, satan's accusation is that a human serves god for the purpose of what he can get out of it, does the disfellowshipping arrangement, exercised to the degree that the governing body deem to be appropriate, support this charge?.
taking for granted the jehovah’s witnesses are god’s chosen organization; on the assumption that the angels (who apparently cannot read heart conditions) looking upon humanity who are making a stand for the issue of sovereignty , are unable to discern those who are in the religion because of their family and friends.
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elders are leaving me alone. what to make of this?
by nowwhat? ini am a born in that goes back to the 1960's i am in a very zealous congregation with super dub elders.
i have been inactive for 3 years and only go to about 2 meetings a month.
i made my displeasure known about the overlapping generation b.s.
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anointed1
If you really doubt on any of the teachings, you are treated as irretrievable (from their point of view) and extremely lucky (from larger perspective)
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An interesting reasoning for the existence of God (from JW public talk)
by anointed1 ini was on an official tour last week to another part of my country.
on my way to the hotel, i noticed sign-board of jw kingdom hall.
i thought i would attend sunday meeting as i knew no one would recognize me.. seeing “a new-comer” in the audience, public speaker adapted his material making it especially appealing to me.
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anointed1
onager,
our updates keep changing. Here is an interesting read:
http://gizmodo.com/we-were-very-wrong-about-the-number-of-galaxies-in-the-1787750693
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An interesting reasoning for the existence of God (from JW public talk)
by anointed1 ini was on an official tour last week to another part of my country.
on my way to the hotel, i noticed sign-board of jw kingdom hall.
i thought i would attend sunday meeting as i knew no one would recognize me.. seeing “a new-comer” in the audience, public speaker adapted his material making it especially appealing to me.
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anointed1
schnell,
It is not changing my position. For me to change position, I should have firmly taken a position for and against something. That is not the case with me. I take the whole universe with everything in it (including creationism and evolutionism …) as one whole, one flow of events, and in big picture, in totality everything looks nice. I worship God and yet support the cause the atheists stand for because atheists are the God’s gifts to mankind—without them the world would have been reeling under extremist religious leaders [Remember I brought the subject of evolution as two advantages of the simple illustration the Speaker used, not as my preferred/hated subject]
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An interesting reasoning for the existence of God (from JW public talk)
by anointed1 ini was on an official tour last week to another part of my country.
on my way to the hotel, i noticed sign-board of jw kingdom hall.
i thought i would attend sunday meeting as i knew no one would recognize me.. seeing “a new-comer” in the audience, public speaker adapted his material making it especially appealing to me.
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anointed1
Even other evolutionary concepts such as adaptation, survival of the fittest imply competition. This too suggests that there is a natural justice—you reap according to your effort. Competition implies ego, and this negative traits of ego and its blame-game indirectly send out some good messages. Individuals and even organizations engage in blame game to the point that we feel that people are incorrigibly self-righteous. Why the reluctance to admit mistake? Because there is something pure and divine each person feels deep within himself which does not make him feel ‘it is ok committing something wrong and be comfortable with it.” This discomfort is the proof that we are somehow connected with God.
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An interesting reasoning for the existence of God (from JW public talk)
by anointed1 ini was on an official tour last week to another part of my country.
on my way to the hotel, i noticed sign-board of jw kingdom hall.
i thought i would attend sunday meeting as i knew no one would recognize me.. seeing “a new-comer” in the audience, public speaker adapted his material making it especially appealing to me.
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anointed1
Dear schnell,
I have no problem with Theory of Evolution because even this theory indirectly praises God:
1) Theory of evolution indirectly believes that there is some cause behind everything (which would ultimately reach God)
2) In the evolutionary stages, we find plants coming earlier than animal species and home sapiens. Plants serve not only as life-support systems but also as means for enjoyment of life. Caring for support and enjoyment of others means love. Thus theory of evolution indirectly teaches life is impossible without love.
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An interesting reasoning for the existence of God (from JW public talk)
by anointed1 ini was on an official tour last week to another part of my country.
on my way to the hotel, i noticed sign-board of jw kingdom hall.
i thought i would attend sunday meeting as i knew no one would recognize me.. seeing “a new-comer” in the audience, public speaker adapted his material making it especially appealing to me.
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anointed1
What I meant was this: If evolution were a fact, after reaching the present stage without external guidance, it would have taken a more qualitative turn in the same direction of evolution because now there is guidance and sophisticated tools available with man to take the evolution forward. Yet
‘We are in the middle of a race between human skill as to means and human folly as to end.” (Bertrand Russel)
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An interesting reasoning for the existence of God (from JW public talk)
by anointed1 ini was on an official tour last week to another part of my country.
on my way to the hotel, i noticed sign-board of jw kingdom hall.
i thought i would attend sunday meeting as i knew no one would recognize me.. seeing “a new-comer” in the audience, public speaker adapted his material making it especially appealing to me.
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anointed1
schnell said: “Not every place in the universe is hospitable or conducive to life.”
Such exceptions are understood and are too insignificant in view of the fact that billions of galaxies exist in the universe, and many universes can exist in different dimensions ....
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Aethiest
by midnight inwhat happens if you openly declare you are an aethiest, i don't mean go round forcing my view on everyone , but when pressured to go to the kingdom hall etc you stated you are an aethiest and no longer believe in god , surely you can't be accused of apostasy as you simply don't believe in anything ?
anyone experienced this ?.
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anointed1
If you are extremely friendly with elders (or any religious leaders for that matter), they will tell you that in principle most people are atheists because when devotees engage in worship, they aim for material blessings from God (in other words, they say “we want this, that …which is in effect materialism—material pleasure and material security).
If you are objective you will know that even materialists are part of a design (God’s gift to humanity) because if they were not there the whole world would have been reeled under the iron hand of religious leaders who can turn into bigots in no time. -
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An interesting reasoning for the existence of God (from JW public talk)
by anointed1 ini was on an official tour last week to another part of my country.
on my way to the hotel, i noticed sign-board of jw kingdom hall.
i thought i would attend sunday meeting as i knew no one would recognize me.. seeing “a new-comer” in the audience, public speaker adapted his material making it especially appealing to me.
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anointed1
steve2, scrtachmore1010,
One beautiful flower! Yet a poet, a devotee, a lover, flower-merchant, a worm, scientist … all will have different view and comments about it. So is the case with the simple illustration I heard in the PT. But I still know deep within my heart that this is the best comparison I have heard on the subject because it accomplishes two major things:
1) It shows that “it takes a writer to do the writing (life) in other parts of the universe” which points to the fact that God is needed for life forms to appear in universe which is otherwise like a barren woman.
2) If evolution were a fact, the whole universe would have filled with life-forms (just like a field becomes filled with weeds as the passes by) in view of the (virtually) infinite time that has already passed! This is something we can testify in our present age of sophisticated technology. If evolution happened and reached the present stage without any external guidance, that would also mean that we can accomplish more with external guidance and advanced technological intervention and equipment—yet we were unable to prevent extinction of many species that have already happened and how are we going to prevent extinction that is now under way? Will it happen even if we put all our sophisticated technology, tools and all the laboratories in the world?