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  What will Tony say?

  by konceptual99 in

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  genuine picture from a convention in holland.

  what will tony say?!.

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  Scully

  He could be Don Cherry's Dutch cousin...

  
  
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  The glaring inequity between the 144,000 & the Great Crowd

  by deegee in

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  there is a glaring inequity between the 144,000 & the great crowd (gc):.

  the gc will experience:.

  1. the great tribulation - a gruelling/horrifying time which has never occurred before.. 2. armageddon.. 3. a thousand years of “loving” molding and refinement.. 4. a second armageddon at the end of the thousand years.. the 144,000 will experience none of these things.. isn't it strange that the gc has to prove themself so much but the 144,000 don't???!!!

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  Don't forget that the GC is also the clean up crew after surviving Armageddon(tm). This is despite the fact that Jehovah(tm) created the worldwide disaster area, and even has the ability to snap his fingers and clean up his own damned mess and doesn't.

  Seems like the GC gets the short end of the stick in more ways than one.
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  Can someone help me

  by stephanie61092 in

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  2. friends

  a girl i've known my entire life who supported me from a distance after i was disfellowshipped sent me this message on instagram today: .

  let me know when your back... i'm unfollowing you on ig & snap.

  i love you.

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  Scully

  It's called "emotional blackmail" and it is endorsed and promoted by the WTS.

  They give talks at Conventions(tm) demanding Loyalty(tm) to the Organization(tm) over family ties and friendships. And then people start receiving messages like the one you did, drawing a line in the sand: "We can't have a relationship because you aren't a JW / don't go to Meetings(tm)/ are Inactive(tm)." In order to restore the relationship you are expected to return to the JWs.

  It's noteworthy that this type of manipulation is a hallmark ofemotional abuse. Is that the kind of friendship you want?

  Your friend just did you a huge favour. If you feel the need to reply, just tell her "Thank you for showing me what an emotionally abusive, manipulative 'friend' you really are. Take your emotional blackmail and stick it where the sun doesn't shine."

  Good riddance.
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  Can an atheist date jw?

  by concernCitizen in

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  2. beliefs

  hey everyone!.

  first of all, i'm not a jw, in fact i'm an atheist, or if you really want to be technical about it i'm probably something like an agnostic atheist or something.. but, my girlfriend is a jw, she seems very rational about it though, it seems to me that she believes in a lot of it but not exactly all, for instance she does understands and believes in the scientific age of the earth and evolution.. when we started dating almost a year ago she made it clear she as religious person.

  i never saw that as a problem, it's not like i'm trying to convert her or she's trying to convert me.

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  An atheist can date whomever they like who is agreeable to dating an atheist. JWs, not so much.
  
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  Today's Text - Sacrifice To God!

  by Divergent in

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  sunday, august 14. if she cannot afford a sheep, she must then take two turtledoves or two young pigeons.—lev.

  12:8.. according to the mosaic law, the israelites were to offer specific sacrifices.

  (lev.

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  Scully

  If she cannot afford a sheep, she must then take two turtledoves or two young pigeons
  

  This just occurred to me: How many JWs find that going to conventions or going Door-to-Door™ or Meetings™ take away from opportunities to build a better life/future for themselves? How many would love to get a better education so they can provide for their families more easily? How many have no retirement savings?

  With this scripture in mind, it seems to be acceptable (to Jehovah™, at least) to give Him™ an item of lower value in presenting your sacrifice if you "cannot afford a sheep". This means you have a choice in how much of an offering you give. The ability to "afford" something is subjective. It means that you can have priorities other than whatever you intend to Sacrifice™ to Jehovah™.

  Do you need to work extra shifts so you can save for your vacation or education? Does it mean you have to skip a few Meetings™ to do so?

  Do you want to put away some money from each pay to save for your retirement? Does it mean there is less to put in the Contribution Box™?

  The WTS wants you to think that you shouldn't have priorities other than Preaching™ Door-to-Door™, going to Meetings™ and Conventions™, and putting your hard earned cash in the Contribution Box™. But it's all a choice. You can do/give what you can "afford", once all your other priorities are met.
  
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  Do a person need a college education to be a good JW

  by Santa in

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  yea i know it's not required or anything, but a lot of the people in the congregation are clearly in need of help that the elders can not give them and none of the other members seem to want to help.

  so is it wrong for a person to want to get advanced social and medical training skills to help those in need?.

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  In JW-land, an education is considered to be a complete waste of time, as is helping people (other than JWs, naturally) with practical matters like health care and social services. This is because (a) Armageddon™ is Just Around The Corner™, (b) your skills will have no value in The New System™ as Armageddon Survivors™ will have no social service or health care issues, and (c) your time would be much better spent Pioneering™ and helping people become JWs so they can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth™.

  What they don't tell you is that education is the key that will unlock so many doors for you. Your job opportunities multiply. Your mind will expand as you learn about diverse populations and cultures. You will learn to use your critical thinking ability. All of these things are real threats to your continued allegiance to the JWs.
  
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  Tips on how to raise money

  by Holden Caufield in

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  i need some ideas to raise money for my study research trip for west africa in cape coast ghana..

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  Try a student loan, then.

  I used it to finance my college education, and it took a long ass time to pay it off, but it is paid in full.
  
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  Why are the atheists on this site so hateful?

  by HopeEverLasting in

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  2. friends

  all us creationists try to do is offer true evidence that the one and only god is out there watching and looking down on us.

  we present that certain scientists know the truth about god and that he is everything that we see from trees, life, weather, the air we breath, and even the most simple molecules.

  but of course you atheists reject it because it is your nature to not be humble and see god because you want to rule your own life.

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  HopeEverLasting writes:

  Giles Gray, you are hateful. You saying I deserve the hate because of what I believe in. You are exactly the type to spew all that hatred. Talk to my hand.

  You see, to someone who disagrees with your position, this attitude that you-disagree-with-my-beliefs-therefore-you-are-hateful is so counterproductive to honest dialogue.

  How a discussion (that's what this board is for: discussion) works is like this:

  Person who starts a thread [OP]: "I think (insert topic here), and here's why: (insert statements/assertions here)"

  Person 1 who replies: "Well, I disagree with you, and here's why: (insert counterpoint/evidence here)"

  Person 2 who replies: "Those are very interesting ideas, OP. Could you please clarify what you said [insert quotation]? and please explain how it relates to the counterpoint/evidence Person 1 posted."

  OP: This is the part where, when your opinion / beliefs are challenged, you support your previous statements with actual evidence. You don't get to go on the defensive and call people "hateful" or "stupid" or whatever, simply because they disagree with you, or ask you to provide support for your claims. When you stoop to the level of ad hominem attacks (ie, name calling - attacking the individual rather than the ideas / evidence they present) you weaken your position in the discussion.

  Frankly, as an atheist, I take exception to your out-of-the-gate accusation that "atheists are hateful on this site". I haven't said one hateful thing to you, ever, yet you lump me in with people you claim are hateful to you or creationists, when actual "hate" is not even close to what is actually happening. What is actually happening is that people are trying to show you an alternate position to one that you hold to be true. That's not hateful, it's not even unkind.

  Let me put it another way: Suppose you know someone who is teaching their children something that is patently false, for instance that there are fairies living in their garden, that can't be seen because they only come out at night to cover the plants and spider webs with dewdrops, when the children are sleeping. It seems like a harmless enough make believe story for children to believe in, but what if this child grows up and still holds to the belief that everyone's back garden has fairies living there? What if it was your workmate? Would you feel at all compelled by kindness and wanting to spare them embarrassment to try to relieve them of their false belief? Would you show them scientific evidence of how dew ends up on the plants?

  Let's say you try this. Let's say it doesn't go well. Your workmate feels their beliefs have been unjustly attacked by someone who "hates" garden variety fairies. Would that reaction seem absurd to you?

  Anyway, I'm not here to try to dissuade you from what you believe. Please do me and the other atheists the courtesy of refraining from trying to shove your beliefs down our throats. Most of us (the atheists of JWD) are ex-JWs and feel that we've had enough preaching in our lifetimes. You are very welcome to discuss creationist points of view with other creationists here and on other forums, but please note that other people (other creationists included) are equally welcome to hold your feet to the fire and challenge the truth of your claims.

  Thank you, and good night.

  Moderator Scully
  
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  JW and the Sabbath

  by Andromeda in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

  i am an active jehovah's witness.

  i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.

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  Thanks, Andromeda - I was under the impression that you wanted to keep the discussion on-topic, so I'll just try to clarify what I said earlier.

  You are clearly aware that the average JW, unlike yourself, has a very limited depth of biblical understanding, due in large part to the WT having discouraged deep bible study in favour of its own sad-excuse-for-biblical-scholarship publications.

  My point is this: if you were to have your average JW look at Romans 14:5, they would be confounded, because on face value it places the onus on the *individual* as to the observance of one day over another. Your deeper understanding is way over their heads, and would be irrelevant to them.

  When you know your "frenemy" and the thought processes they employ, you can confound them using their own logic.

  fwiw, I am an atheist and have been for almost 20 years. But when I talk to my JW relatives, my ability to use their own "sword" against them has been very useful.
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  JW and the Sabbath

  by Andromeda in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

  i am an active jehovah's witness.

  i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.

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  Andromeda:

  "that verse is strictly about food"

  Verse 5 clearly is about the observance of any given day and the importance it holds to the one choosing to observe it:

  One man judges one day as above another; another judges one day the same as all others; let each one be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day observes it to Jehovah.