i don’t know a lot about james penton but i think he deserves a better thread than the one currently on offer.
james penton, who died recently, grew up in a jw family in canada and served as an elder.
unusually for a jw, he studied liberal arts at university and became a history professor.
I had the pleasure of welcoming him as a guest in my home for several days in the late 1990s. He was so knowledgeable about JW history and the shenanigans of Rutherford and others at HQ. I think he was a tad disappointed that I realized that I was atheist, but he never criticized me for not being "Christian".
He leaves behind a great legacy of shared knowledge of JWs, the Organization™ and its history.
democrats are always harping on and on about voting rights and how the ability to vote should be easier and access unrestricted.
the most progressive ones want to allow prisoners, and illegals with no voter id the ability to vote along with the criminals, drug addicts, and uneducated low lives who already can vote.. .
after they push for everyone and anyone to be able to vote they then tell us it is a sacred privilege, a duty and honor, and a big responsibility blah, blah ect..... if it is all those grandiose things are true i think it should be harder to vote not easier.
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If I had my way there would be criminal background checks, intelligence test, cognizant tests, drug tests.
What boggles my mind is that someone with 30+ criminal convictions/indictments can still run for president. If that's the case, then why not open up voting to criminals in prison, ex-cons and others who you deem unworthy of their right to vote.
Stan, Rosie O'Donnell played Betty Rubble in The Flintstones movie, later on she had an afternoon talk show.
i'm interested to know the age demographics here.
it must be significantly different to other exjw forums.
it would be a damning report for watchtower if most of us appear to have left for decades.. you don't have to mention your exact age, you could always say "in my 50s".. i am in my 70s.
My folks were contacted by the JWs when I was 5. Within 3 - 4 years, they were both Baptized™. By the time I was 30 I could smell that the ORG was rotten to its core, and it took another year or so of research, and gently asking Mr Scully questions that eventually got him to realize it was NOT The Truth™, nor anything even close to it. We started fresh on January 1, 1995, before the overlapping Generations crap was published - I'd even said that the GB had to come up with something to explain how, more than 80 years after 1914, the end had not yet come.
So I'm coming up to 30 years OUT since leaving the JWs, plus 5 years before the infestation began in my family. We had a fairly successful fade. I joined JWD shortly after 9/11 and just before the UN/Library Card scandal was revealed.
It mostly doesn't affect me anymore, but the CSA cases are triggering for me. The only thing that kinda helps is knowing that what happened to me wasn't an Isolated Incident™ and that there are other people who understand the shame and the gaslighting that was inflicted on all of us. It disgusts me that pedophiles in the ORG are only just in the past 20 years being held to account for their CRIMES against children.
i've had a few medical procedures.
once, i had a massive loss of blood and needed 6 units of blood to replace the loss.
however, i'm curious as to what ex's state to be their religion when filling out the required paperwork when being admitted into a hospital.
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Sorry for resurrecting this old thread, but I have to let people know (again) that the Hospital Liaison Committee™ Elders™ would be able to access printouts from the hospital of current in-patients who have JW listed as their religious affiliation. It is IMPERITIVE that you have *ANY* reference to your past JW affiliation REMOVED from your chart if you want to avoid contact with HLC people pretending to provide "pastoral care" to patients in hospital.
I learned this from my own hospitalization over 30 years ago - prior to my admission, I had signed a declaration that I did not want nor need visitation from pastoral services following the birth of my youngest child. Somebody ignored that document: an Elder™ who had access to my CONFIDENTIAL information due to his "Pastoral Care" status. I asked him how he found me and he disclosed that he obtained a list of JW patients who were currently hospitalized. At the time I was a JW in Good Standing™, but I didn't see the need for a visit, since I wasn't sick and was going to be discharged with my baby in 48 hours. The door to my private room was closed. My curtain was pulled. He didn't knock. He didn't announce his presence in my room. He swung open the curtains to find me with my upper body exposed, breastfeeding my baby. He did not excuse himself, nor did he turn away.(*pervert*) In no uncertain terms, I told him that I did NOT WANT nor NEED a Shepherding Call™ because I wasn't sick and I was going to be discharged in a couple of days. He knew I was on the Maternity Ward, and he disregarded my specific written request for privacy. I told him off and gave him shit for interrupting me feeding the baby, and I reported him to the nurse who was looking after me, and she took it very seriously.
If you DO NOT WANT them to find you, YOU MUST UPDATE your hospital records ASAP, before you have a surgical procedure or are involved in a traumatic situation where having a blood transfusion may be vital to your survival.
When I worked at the hospital many moons ago, the nurse educator - an evangelical christian - made the comment to me "If my son chose to be gay, I would be very disappointed." I responded thoughtfully, saying "You know, I don't EVER recall making a choice to be heterosexual, do you?" She didn't say another word, but she looked like she'd been hit by lightning.
i just read on facebook terry, aka orangefatcat has passed.. i met her at the blow out apostafest in toronto years ago.
she was a bigger than life character in person with a great sense of humor as well as always with a kind word and positive message on facebook.. rip terry.💔😞.
Sorry to hear that about Terry, she was a genuine, down-to-earth person. Didn't know about Uzzah either, that was a bit of a shock actually.
family move to remote pacific island to serve were the need is great get a mention in the year book.. however one of the (married) boys in the large family has sex with his sister while his wife is in hospital giving birth to their child.
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all hushed up not even a word said and hes now an elder d.fing people for lesser crimes.. young couple dating leave the jws and move in togather doing drugs partying ect.. his family grandfather,uncles, dad ect are all elders.. after a few years they decide to come back to the jws and are married in the k.h a few months latter.. 1 elder questions them getting married in the k.h and is voted down by his family.. to many drunks and c.s.a to mention.. karter..
We had a few pedophiles (male and female) in the congregation where I grew up. One was Disfellowshipped™ and Reinstated™ *twice*, and later targeted me, at the Book Study™ that was held in *my own home*. Another was a Sister™ who liked grabbing little boys' bottoms and squealed with delight in so doing. The third was an Elder™ (50+ yrs old) who got away with crap like sitting with an older teenaged unbaptized girl in the back seat of a car doing Return Visits™, explaining to her how to put a condom on a man while the other half of the Car Group™ were at the RV, and also corralling her into her bedroom after the Book Study™ at her home and trying to French kiss her. She was intimidated because #1, he was an Elder™ and thought nobody would believe her, and #2 because he had gotten away with it before.
Also my own dad bent over backwards to help anyone in the congregation, and gave them his full attention, and we got the cranky leftovers.
the september watchtower has already been released and is being discussed over on reddit.
some highlights: .
1. more hitting the flock on total reliance and obedience to god's representatives on earth today, the f&ds (the governing body, of course).
Oh my! You poor little thing! <crying emoji> The big bad old Governments are holding your feet to the fire for practices that are harmful to people, particularly children!! HOW DARE THEY WITHOLD PWESSSIOUS MONEY FROM YOUR DRYING UP COFFERS!! It's not YOUR fault that you allow CHILD MOLESTERS, CHILD ABUSERS, WIFE BEATERS and their ilk remain in positions of oversight in the Congregations™, is it now?? And it's not YOUR fault that individual members are likely holding onto their money rather than contributing to your PEDOPHILE DEFENSE FUND, is it??
</sarcasm>
does anyone know how many hours were required to be a pioneer back in or around 1970?.
etude..
140 hours for Special™ Pioneers™; 100 for Regular Pioneers™ - don't remember what the quota was for Vacation™ Pioneers™.
But when they changed the title from Vacation™ Pioneers™ to Auxiliary™ Pioneers™ the quota went down a bit to 60 hours, which was meant to be a bit more achievable.
I remember one Brother™ bragged that he opened his bathroom window when he got up, and just as he went in the shower, he tossed a Tract™ out the window to start his Time™.
