Posts by Scully

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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM

by apocalypse in

i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".

the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".

this is huge.

Scully

The intrusiveness of these legally binding documents is *mind-boggling*.

What are they going to do next? Force everyone to write their Last Will & Testament, ensuring that their assets go to the WTS, and then require that a copy of the Will is filed with the local Elders™?

It occurs to me though, that while the Congregation™, the Elders™ and the WTS insist that you do as they say, you always have the option to take it to a notary or lawyer afterward and have a codicil attached to it, which you would NOT have to file with WT troglodytes. Such a document would explain that the AMD document was signed under duress, and that it is not valid; it would relinquish any authority previously given to Elders™ or other WTS agents to act on your behalf, and allow a person of your own choosing to authorize medical treatments that are necessary to save your life in the event that you are incapacitated.

Or you could just run that sucker through the shredder - photocopies of documents are generally not legally binding.

A note to anyone who has been previously hospitalized and has declared their JW status upon admission to hospital: your JW status will remain on record in your hospital file until such time as you go to someone in the admitting department and ask them to REMOVE the JW notation from your hospital records. This will prevent any Elders™ assigned to "pastoral service" at the hospital from going to the records department (where they will ask for a print-out of JW patients currently in hospital) and finding you when you really don't want to be found by them. It's important to do this well before there is an emergency. Don't put off doing this, please.

This happens. It happened to me - I was visited by an Elder™ who didn't know me from a hole in the ground (nor did I know him) and he admitted that he received my name and whereabouts directly as a result of his being vetted by the hospital for pastoral care of JW patients. When I worked at the hospital, I saw JW Elders™ with lists of patients to visit, obtained through the pastoral care office. Granted, medical information was not provided, but they show up to your hospital room unannounced, uninvited, and if you're getting an infusion of packed red blood cells they're certainly not welcome.

Just get that little detail removed from your hospital records. Don't leave breadcrumbs for them to follow.

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Has anyone been outed by jw health care workers?

by purrpurr in

jw
friends

carrying on from audespare thread.

i was wondering how common it is for a sinner/apostate to be outed by a babbling jw care worker?

say you went to your dr because you were pregnant and unmarried or wanting counseling for having to live a double life as a pretend jw... and a jw secretary at the drs office saw this on your file and went tattling to the elders?.

Scully

Hi there, under the radar

Thanks for your kind words.

I seem to remember a very similar article published in the Journal of Church and State several years back. Was this your article as well?

No, that article was written by Kerry Louderback-Wood, but to be compared with her work is high praise. Thank you again.

Here is a link to her article if anyone is interested: http://ajwrb.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/blood-misrepresented-2005-kerry-louderback-wood-1.pdf

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Are GB accountable for deaths for changing policy ?

by Chook in

example blood factions, organ transplants.

suicide from disfellowshipping , breaking up family's with old oral sex policy.

Scully

The GB will claim that they are not accountable, that their instructions were merely "suggestions" or "recommendations" and that those who chose to follow them were doing so completely voluntarily, based on their understanding of Scripture™.

However, when the choice to set aside those teachings in favour of, say, saving their child's life with a blood transfusion is consequenced with expulsion from the Congregation™ and being shunned by friends and family, how "voluntary" is it to comply? And who is responsible for the individual JW's understanding of Scripture™ in the first place, particularly when to hold a different understanding is equated with Apostasy™?

When a person is under duress, such as when a gun is held to their head, and commits a crime, they are not really committing that crime voluntarily, are they? In that case, who is accountable for the commission of the crime?

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Help Please - Finding It Hard Adjusting To The Real World

by pale.emperor in

im asking for you guys help in a phase im going through right now.

im sure it’ll pass but id appreciate your advice..

born in, my family consists of mum, dad, two brothers and two sisters.

Scully

I passed up going to medical school when I was in my early 20s because Armageddon was so close. Now, it’s too late to start down that path.

It's never too late. I went back to college at exactly your age to study nursing, against cries from Friends™ who declared that Armageddon™ was Right Around the Corner™ (we stopped going to Meetings™ at the beginning of that year). That was 21 years ago. Our never-JW family doctor started medical school at the age of 34, and retired a couple of years ago at the age of 71. In both my case and my doctor's case, we had spouses and young families.

Think of the opportunity as the success story that the WTS absolutely hates. If you really want it, you can do it. In the meantime, you are gaining new friends and allies that will help you stay on the path.

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Harmagedon backpack... Are we retarded??

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

sorry for this matter has been already discussed.. i got shocked after watching this video:.

kingdom hall disaster demonstration.

this is really insane !!!

Scully

When I was a kid, the first demonstration I participated in involved being prepared for preaching under ban. I was pretending to be going Door-to-Door™ with an elderly Sister™. In addition to her sticks-out-like-a-sore-thumb green NWT Bible™ she carried a shopping bag on her arm, with some light groceries in it. She wore a kerchief on her head and was wearing a green sweater over top of her skirt and blouse. I was in a jumper with a white shirt with the long sleeves rolled up.

We went up to a "house" and heard someone yell from inside "Call the police, the Jehovah's are here!" (everyone laughed!) The Sister™ grabbed me and we hid behind a parked car in the alley (the podium) - she pulled my sleeves down. She took off the kerchief and put it around my neck, then she took off her green sweater and told me to put it on (it was like a long coat on me). Next she pulled out a *blue* sweater from the bottom of the shopping bag and put it on herself.

We came out of the "alley" and those "cops" couldn't find us anywhere!

We sure foiled those bastards!

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Harmagedon backpack... Are we retarded??

by sp74bb in

jw
friends

sorry for this matter has been already discussed.. i got shocked after watching this video:.

kingdom hall disaster demonstration.

this is really insane !!!

Scully

Why is a bug out bag a great idea?

For instance, if there's a local disaster, every family member should have an emergency supply bag, containing some non-perishable food, water, a change of clothes, essential toiletries, some cash (or a way to acquire cash, like an ATM card to your emergency savings account) or gift cards, map, copies of medical records and ID, flashlights, essential medication and the like.

For someone in an abusive relationship, it's a very good idea to have one in a safe place outside the home (as well as a savings account the partner doesn't know about) in the event that they have to leave suddenly.

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"Inactive" non Attenders, how much power do the JW's have over YOU ?

by Phizzy in

i was thinking about this because of the constant reminders we get in posts that we inactive non attenders have to be careful what we say to jw's, and what we do that they may learn about etc, if we don't wish to be before a j.c. the power they have is limited by what we give them.

now, i do not wish to be declared df'd of da'd, it would kill my old mum i think.. but i refuse to live my life looking over my shoulder, that, in my opinion, is giving them too much power.. i openly vote, i openly donate blood, i enjoy the odd cigar etc etc.. how much power do you allow them to have over you ?.

Scully

In person, I keep myself in check around JW relatives, until they start sending out subtle and not-so-subtle comments that would be the equivalent of Preaching™.

Like my mother recently made a jab about how the RC explained that "evolution couldn't possibly be true, because creatures would have had to evolve into males and females in order to reproduce". Yes, they seriously said that.

So I just said, "When the doctor tells you to take a full course of antibiotics so as not to contribute to the bacteria becoming antibiotic resistant, do you listen? If you do, then you accept this aspect of evolution."

Then she talks about the weather.

LOL

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I'm just a 'visitor'

by galaxie in

i'm signed in and can use the 'have your say 'box on my android phone,but on my tablet i cannot sign in...the sign in form does not recognize my user name, therefore i'm seen as just a visitor.

any advice would be welcome thankyou..

Scully

If my android tablet browser is anything like yours, you have to use the drop-down menu in the top right corner and select the login option from there. The forum doesn't keep you logged in across devices, you need to login from each one and select the Remember Me button.

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