If this is coming out of the US, the phrase "Separation of Church and State" comes to mind.
Posts by Scully
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"Basics of Blood Management" by Dr. Petra Seeber and Dr. Aryeh Shander - Inaccuracies and Myth
by OrphanCrow inpatient blood management arose out of bloodless medicine and alternatives to blood transfusions.
pbm has been accepted as the standard of care in australia and has been implemented into the health care systems of other countries such as canada.
a prominent promoter of pbm has been aryeh shander from englewood hospital in new jersey.
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The most sick statement put in JW print
by Chook inwt 1973 p568.
"did you know, for example, that mothers and fathers that stroke the genitals of their fretful babies to keep them quiet are unwittingly encouraging them to become maturbators later on?".
what sick fu... writing this article thought the the average person did this to keep kids quiet..
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Scully
Sounds like something straight out of the sexually repressive fantasies of Fred Franz.
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Canadian Appeal Court decision made the news: Judges can overturn unfair church edicts
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://news.nationalpost.com/news/religion/alberta-appeal-court-rules-judges-can-overturn-unfair-church-edicts.
the other day, this court decision was posted on jwn along with a link to the court document, but few expected the media to pick up the story.
so to all involved, i understand it was a surprise to see the story in print.
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Scully
David Gnam who represents the congregation
The spawn of Satan himself. ::: shudders :::
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Mouthy has Passed Away
by Simon inupdate on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.
i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.
- may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.
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Scully
Oh no. I'd been trying to track her down the last week or so, wanted to talk to her on the phone, but couldn't find her number. It makes me sad that I missed this last opportunity.
Where ever you are, Grace, I know you were waiting for this and on some level, looking forward to what you believed was beyond this mortal sphere. Know that you are loved, and will be missed.
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CLAM Video: Aug 8-14 2016 – “Older Ones - You Have an Important Role”
by Nicholaus Kopernicus inthis video portrayed an elderly widowed sister who was a former pioneer and now reduced to submitting field service reports of 15 minute increments.
she was also portrayed as quite frail in that she ambulates with the use of a quad rollator frame.
she was very neatly attired and groomed and what the video showed of her apartment conveyed everything perfectly tidy to a level which would have relaxed an ocd sufferer.
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Scully
in this modern age needs to either find a career to support herself OR she needs to get married and have a man support her.
It's not quite so black and white in this modern age. Women can acquire an education, make a career for themselves, get married (or not), have a family and have the expectation that her partner will match her effort in providing for their needs.
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Can’t cope with being disfellowshipped…..Need some advice
by xxBettyBoopxx inthis site is great, i have been lurking for a while now.
but i can’t get reinstated and have used some of the advice already given.. i was df’d many months ago and go to all the meetings and do all the preparation for the meetings, but the jc committee keep refusing me.
tomorrow at the clam meeting i am puting yet another letter in and will be called for another dreadful jc meeting.. 1. what can i say to the elders to show that i am truly repentant?.
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Scully
who said God is perfect? I mean he created a burning hell that bad people go to for ever and ever and suffer in eternity, but he loves you.
*sniff sniff*... smells like troll
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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM
by apocalypse ini have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".
the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".
this is huge.
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Scully
The intrusiveness of these legally binding documents is *mind-boggling*.
What are they going to do next? Force everyone to write their Last Will & Testament, ensuring that their assets go to the WTS, and then require that a copy of the Will is filed with the local Elders™?
It occurs to me though, that while the Congregation™, the Elders™ and the WTS insist that you do as they say, you always have the option to take it to a notary or lawyer afterward and have a codicil attached to it, which you would NOT have to file with WT troglodytes. Such a document would explain that the AMD document was signed under duress, and that it is not valid; it would relinquish any authority previously given to Elders™ or other WTS agents to act on your behalf, and allow a person of your own choosing to authorize medical treatments that are necessary to save your life in the event that you are incapacitated.
Or you could just run that sucker through the shredder - photocopies of documents are generally not legally binding.
A note to anyone who has been previously hospitalized and has declared their JW status upon admission to hospital: your JW status will remain on record in your hospital file until such time as you go to someone in the admitting department and ask them to REMOVE the JW notation from your hospital records. This will prevent any Elders™ assigned to "pastoral service" at the hospital from going to the records department (where they will ask for a print-out of JW patients currently in hospital) and finding you when you really don't want to be found by them. It's important to do this well before there is an emergency. Don't put off doing this, please.
This happens. It happened to me - I was visited by an Elder™ who didn't know me from a hole in the ground (nor did I know him) and he admitted that he received my name and whereabouts directly as a result of his being vetted by the hospital for pastoral care of JW patients. When I worked at the hospital, I saw JW Elders™ with lists of patients to visit, obtained through the pastoral care office. Granted, medical information was not provided, but they show up to your hospital room unannounced, uninvited, and if you're getting an infusion of packed red blood cells they're certainly not welcome.
Just get that little detail removed from your hospital records. Don't leave breadcrumbs for them to follow.
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Has anyone been outed by jw health care workers?
by purrpurr incarrying on from audespare thread.
i was wondering how common it is for a sinner/apostate to be outed by a babbling jw care worker?
say you went to your dr because you were pregnant and unmarried or wanting counseling for having to live a double life as a pretend jw... and a jw secretary at the drs office saw this on your file and went tattling to the elders?.
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Scully
Hi there, under the radar
Thanks for your kind words.
I seem to remember a very similar article published in the Journal of Church and State several years back. Was this your article as well?
No, that article was written by Kerry Louderback-Wood, but to be compared with her work is high praise. Thank you again.
Here is a link to her article if anyone is interested: http://ajwrb.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/blood-misrepresented-2005-kerry-louderback-wood-1.pdf
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Are GB accountable for deaths for changing policy ?
by Chook inexample blood factions, organ transplants.
suicide from disfellowshipping , breaking up family's with old oral sex policy.
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Scully
The GB will claim that they are not accountable, that their instructions were merely "suggestions" or "recommendations" and that those who chose to follow them were doing so completely voluntarily, based on their understanding of Scripture™.
However, when the choice to set aside those teachings in favour of, say, saving their child's life with a blood transfusion is consequenced with expulsion from the Congregation™ and being shunned by friends and family, how "voluntary" is it to comply? And who is responsible for the individual JW's understanding of Scripture™ in the first place, particularly when to hold a different understanding is equated with Apostasy™?
When a person is under duress, such as when a gun is held to their head, and commits a crime, they are not really committing that crime voluntarily, are they? In that case, who is accountable for the commission of the crime?
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Help Please - Finding It Hard Adjusting To The Real World
by pale.emperor inim asking for you guys help in a phase im going through right now.
im sure it’ll pass but id appreciate your advice..
born in, my family consists of mum, dad, two brothers and two sisters.
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Scully
I passed up going to medical school when I was in my early 20s because Armageddon was so close. Now, it’s too late to start down that path.
It's never too late. I went back to college at exactly your age to study nursing, against cries from Friends™ who declared that Armageddon™ was Right Around the Corner™ (we stopped going to Meetings™ at the beginning of that year). That was 21 years ago. Our never-JW family doctor started medical school at the age of 34, and retired a couple of years ago at the age of 71. In both my case and my doctor's case, we had spouses and young families.
Think of the opportunity as the success story that the WTS absolutely hates. If you really want it, you can do it. In the meantime, you are gaining new friends and allies that will help you stay on the path.