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  Funeral Fashion

  by ThinkerBelle in

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  2. beliefs

  i have a funeral to attend for a non jw family member and the jdub family member reminded me that i should not wear black.

  for the life of me, i can't recall where this belief came from in jw teachings and i'm born in.

  is there something in print or is that just a personal opinion belief?

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  Scully

  But black is so slimming, especially when paired with black hosiery and underwear!
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  When did jws start viewing the "worldly" as bad associates?

  by nowawake14 in

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  2. friends

  any of you that had been in the organization for decades are welcome to answer.

  really, who started this craziness?.

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  My parents became JWs in the early 70s. It was drilled into me to avoid getting close to Worldly People™, and to only have Friends™ In The Truth™. Because of our lack of JW pedigree (2nd or 3rd generation), we weren't readily accepted by those who were Born In™ or had a decades-long history with the cult. It seemed like we were always inviting people over for dinner or driving people around for Service™ or a to do shit jobs around the KH that nobody else wanted, and it was very rarely reciprocated. It was like we had to go through some kind of probationary period - for how long was anyone's guess.

  It was a very isolating, and it's no wonder I suffered from depression and anxiety from all these emotional rollercoaster rides.
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  26 Years Later

  by Victor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm one of earliest adopters of the internet in discovering the real history of the watchtower.

  back then it was the wild wild west with newsgroups being the primary sources of information.

  then came watchtower observer, freeminds, and all the other sites that followed jwd was one of the later sites.

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  Scully

  Hi Victor

  I remember you from the Philia email group, which I joined in 1993. Nice to see you’re still around.
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  We owe our children honesty, integrity, and the TTATT.

  by Fognomore in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in my waking up i have come to a very emotional and costly conclusion.

  i have been waking up for about 2 years.

  the greatest gift we ( i ) can give our children is honesty and ttatt.

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  Scully

  Those were precisely the same emotions Mr Scully and I went through when we were in the process of leaving the JW belief system.

  The clincher for us was reading in the Aid Book™ and the Insight™ volumes under the definition of the word LIE.

  It said words to the effect that "it is not necessary to tell the truth to individuals who are not entitled to it." Think about that for a minute. Who are they saying is "not entitled to" truthful information? The average JW thinks about opposers who want to incriminate them or the Organization™. But clearly, it could also refer to the GB withholding honesty from average JWs. We had noticed, multiple times in fact, where the Publications™ conflicted with one another (flip flops like who among those who were killed at Sodom and Gomorrah would be Resurrected™; or wholesale rejection of higher education, then allowing for it, then rejecting it again; saying Armageddon™ was Just Around the Corner™ for exactly how many decades now?).This plus so many other things made it abundantly clear that JWs were not purveyors of The Truth™, they never were and they never would be.

  We were humble with our eldest, who was old enough to understand the ramifications of leaving. We told him that we had been fooled by people who didn't have our best interests at heart, and that we were going to start making our own decisions instead of allowing the JWs to influence us. It was a great feeling to let go, and get out as a family.
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  If you are reading this Courtney and Helene

  by newsheep in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  please please contact us by private messaging us.

  we didn't know what to put this under so sorry in advance but this is why we are here.

  courtney was a co serving in another country when his father was dying.

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  Scully

  CO now refers to Congregation Overseer™ *and* Circuit Overseer™.
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  If you are reading this Courtney and Helene

  by newsheep in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  please please contact us by private messaging us.

  we didn't know what to put this under so sorry in advance but this is why we are here.

  courtney was a co serving in another country when his father was dying.

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  Scully

  http://www.lifenews.ca/announcement/9030053-clarke-clarence-levy

  Perhaps reach out to the family through the guest book or comments?
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  Our daughter was free to make her own choice.

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  when eloise dupuis gave birth to her son in 2016, there were complications where a blood transfusion would have saved her live.

  however, she refused and died; to the horror of the medical staff and the entire province of quebec.. two years later, there was a change in politics and the topic came back up in the media.

  the parents of eloise dupuis, obviously exhausted by the media coverage, wrote a comment to a well known news paper in quebec.

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  With the Blood Issue, in a hospital life-and-death situation, keep in mind that the HLC arranges to maintain a constant JW presence at the bedside of the person deemed in need of blood transfusion.

  Had Elöise agreed to a transfusion that could have saved her life, the JWs at her bedside would have initiated the judicial proceedings without delay. How terrifying it must have been for her, knowing she would certainly die without transfusions, with people actively discouraging her from doing the one thing that could have prevented her death, praying for her to maintain her integrity, watching her weep for the fact that she would be leaving her child motherless and holding her newborn son for the time that remained for her.

  The fact that the WT needs “enforcers” to hold vigil at a person’s bedside to make sure they don’t take a transfusion, tells me that without these “enforcers” JWs would, more often than not, accept transfusions to save their life. That’s the reason why it is a coercive tactic.
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  Our daughter was free to make her own choice.

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  when eloise dupuis gave birth to her son in 2016, there were complications where a blood transfusion would have saved her live.

  however, she refused and died; to the horror of the medical staff and the entire province of quebec.. two years later, there was a change in politics and the topic came back up in the media.

  the parents of eloise dupuis, obviously exhausted by the media coverage, wrote a comment to a well known news paper in quebec.

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  Scully

  A choice made by someone who has a gun pointed in their face isn't a free choice, nor is it necessarily the choice that is in the best interests of the individual.

  With the WT, the Choice™ being made is, first of all, based on an incorrect premise. Obedience to God's Law on Blood™ is based on someone's interpretation of a biblical text allegedly uttered over 2000 years ago, which interpretation is also based on that someone's claim (a statement without proof to back up its authenticity) that they are guided by Holy Spirit™ to have an accurate understanding of God's™ intentions.

  The other issue regarding this Choice™, is that there is a consequence for the individual should their "free choice" be the wrong one in the eyes of the WT. There was a time when WT published the Suggestion™ that Disfellowshipped™ people should be regarded as "dead to us". This threat is Inculcated™ into JWs from infancy if they are "born in" as Eloise was, and being part of an insular group like the JWs, the flow of contradictory information is severely hindered. The WT and likewise her JW family were the gatekeepers, preventing alternate points of view from entering her thought process and training her to reject those alternate points of view.

  We've all heard (or maybe even said ourselves) "I'd rather die than [insert unpleasant or repugnant something]." For JWs, that phrase becomes "I'd rather die than be DFd and treated like I'm dead / be killed by Jehovah at Armageddon™ / lose all my friends and family / feel ashamed for being Unfaithful™; at least if I die, I will be Resurrected™." That's the gun, with a carrot attached. She had the choice to pull the trigger herself, or everyone around her would have pulled it for her. What kind of a choice is that? The carrot of the belief in a future Resurrection™ is more powerful to JWs than the carrot of being able to live to see your newborn child grow up. That's actually pretty fucked up.
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  What does the Watchtower say about using CBD Oil?

  by Iamallcool in

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  just wondering.

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  Scully

  There is the option (at least in Canada) to have medical marijuana in pill form. It’s prescribed under the brand name Nabilone.

  It doesn’t contain THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, but does contain cannabinoids.

  So there, you lose, WT. It’s legal in Canada. It doesn’t need to be smoked. It doesn’t make people high. And it’s a life saver for people suffering with chronic pain. If only it helped people to walk away from your petty little cult.
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  A question for you women; what was it really like for you being in the Org?

  by Tallon in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi there folks.. i took a bit of time out from the forum, however i'm back again.. what was it really like for you, your experiences good or bad, etc, in the org?.

  if you were granted a listening ear by the gb, what changes would you like to see implemented?.

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  Scully

  "they covered their heads with Kleenexes and shoes"

  Considering women's place in the Organization™, having a shoe on one's head seems strangely appropriate.

  Personally, I balked at the thought of being Submissive™ to men; I hated it. But then wanting to fit in and not knowing there were other options available to me, I caved in, Humbled™ myself, and toed the line. It did a number on my mental health and I was severely depressed as a young wife and mother, and contemplated suicide more than once. I felt invisible, insignificant and merely a means to support my husband's success within the Congregation™, and someone to entertain Elders™, Ministerial Servants™ and their families while Mr. Scully schmoozed with them over dinners and desserts that I made. I felt like my talents and intellect were completely wasted.

  Once it became evident that the Congregation™ only cared about what they could use us for, at a time when we really could have used their encouragement and support, I didn't care anymore about following their rules. I realized that should we fall into hard times, we needed an additional income to look after our family. I went back to school and became an RN, and somehow in that training, learned how to use my spine without being shamed or apologizing for it. I also learned that JW gender roles and gender biases and sexual obsessions were not the norm in the current cultural landscape, and it was all right.

  It's been almost 25 years since I made that decision, and I have absolutely no regrets about it. I don't know how I actually did it, possibly being so disgusted at the way we were treated and wanting to NEVER need to ask for the JWs' help again were factors that fueled my will to succeed.