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  JW.org missing the point of the last supper

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  of course most christians partake in different ways at different intervals (the bible never says strictly annual) but obviously the main point is christ's flesh and blood.

  for jws the main attraction is the organization's sales pitch and in the new 2023 memorial invitation they pretty much admit it, quote:.

  the main feature of the memorial is a talk.

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  Rattigan like Ratzinger (RIP), you are relying on old rules, but if you do that, then you have to be consistent, then

  all members of the 12 tribes* have to be in the new covenant, partake, not just the kings and priests.

  wt proclamation: "millions [of the 12 tribes] will never die" . so,

  these non anointed never pay for their sins with their personal death, they need to have New Covenant ransom forgiveness of their sins more than the partakers who, at the latest, pass away to heaven at the outset of the Great Tribulation,

  be generous, let them all have it. like Catholics, they all eat and drink the real thing, symbolically, thank you.

  * Math.19:28.
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  Just courius, some questions about the past

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  curious.

  time goes by so fast.

  who remembers 1975, the ray franz incident, the generation change in 1995, the blood fractions, alternative service, participation in ochr, aid afrique, the historical research by james pellechia, jolene chu and johannes stephan wrobel?

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  They were all sturdy enough to be under ~10 000 meter of turbulent pressured water for 9 month ~4000 years ago!
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  JW.org missing the point of the last supper

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  of course most christians partake in different ways at different intervals (the bible never says strictly annual) but obviously the main point is christ's flesh and blood.

  for jws the main attraction is the organization's sales pitch and in the new 2023 memorial invitation they pretty much admit it, quote:.

  the main feature of the memorial is a talk.

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  waton

  earthly!)

  all partakers at the last supper had an earthly hope, technically even Jesus, the second Adam, up until 40 days after his death. Acts 1:7, "establish kingdom [of Israel] now?"
  
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  JW.org missing the point of the last supper

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  of course most christians partake in different ways at different intervals (the bible never says strictly annual) but obviously the main point is christ's flesh and blood.

  for jws the main attraction is the organization's sales pitch and in the new 2023 memorial invitation they pretty much admit it, quote:.

  the main feature of the memorial is a talk.

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  waton

  a talk in which wt turns the "blood of the new covenant, for forgiveness of sin" for many" to

  the emblem of the '1914 kingdom' covenant for the very few.
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  Is it Logical To Beleive In A Creator - GOD ? In This Scientific Age ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don`t think so .

  hasn`t science ,astronomy ,time , .....proven it an illogical beleif ?.

  with the information about this solar system and it`s planets ,other stars and their planets that we have information about ,and the fact that no god has ever revealed him/her self in any shape or form 'there is no evidence that a creator / god has ever existed.. except in the minds of humans who want to control a section of humanity .. the fact that religions rely on "you have to have faith" to beleive in a god ,surely is a cop out.. i look forward to your comments .. and a happy new year to you all..

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  Logically though either the universe existed eternally or God existed eternally

  wrong choice! the universe did not exist eternally, uncreated energy available to the creator is eternal though.
  
  

  Now given the universe and then taking it away and creating a void for example to illustrate a condition without the universe, that is not logical

  removing the universe would free the portion of energy locked up presently in spacetime & matter and return it to its pristine, pre-big -bang form, akin to the heat death of the universe. recycling the energy.
  
  
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  Is it Logical To Beleive In A Creator - GOD ? In This Scientific Age ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don`t think so .

  hasn`t science ,astronomy ,time , .....proven it an illogical beleif ?.

  with the information about this solar system and it`s planets ,other stars and their planets that we have information about ,and the fact that no god has ever revealed him/her self in any shape or form 'there is no evidence that a creator / god has ever existed.. except in the minds of humans who want to control a section of humanity .. the fact that religions rely on "you have to have faith" to beleive in a god ,surely is a cop out.. i look forward to your comments .. and a happy new year to you all..

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  That can also be said about the physical ,material universe , is that not also true ?

  not true.

  we have measured the effect that energy can not be destroyed, or created, is eternal, therefore time is eternal, but

  the present local form of energy as matter, in a 3 dimensional space is not.

  soon it might be coffee time, but spacetime is only 13.8 billion years old. time itself, energy uncreated.

  Evidence of a, the creator is a personal quest, will be given on a personal level, second hand "witnessing" will not be needed, counted, believed.
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  Is it Logical To Beleive In A Creator - GOD ? In This Scientific Age ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don`t think so .

  hasn`t science ,astronomy ,time , .....proven it an illogical beleif ?.

  with the information about this solar system and it`s planets ,other stars and their planets that we have information about ,and the fact that no god has ever revealed him/her self in any shape or form 'there is no evidence that a creator / god has ever existed.. except in the minds of humans who want to control a section of humanity .. the fact that religions rely on "you have to have faith" to beleive in a god ,surely is a cop out.. i look forward to your comments .. and a happy new year to you all..

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  reading Lawrence M. Krauss (an atheist) called A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing,

  Highly recommended reading, for the final analysis, resume' is:

  There is no such thing as nothing. never was.
  
  
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  Is it Logical To Beleive In A Creator - GOD ? In This Scientific Age ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don`t think so .

  hasn`t science ,astronomy ,time , .....proven it an illogical beleif ?.

  with the information about this solar system and it`s planets ,other stars and their planets that we have information about ,and the fact that no god has ever revealed him/her self in any shape or form 'there is no evidence that a creator / god has ever existed.. except in the minds of humans who want to control a section of humanity .. the fact that religions rely on "you have to have faith" to beleive in a god ,surely is a cop out.. i look forward to your comments .. and a happy new year to you all..

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  There is a lot of disrespect, disdain, ridicule for people that do actual work. There is tremendous energy, work locked up in creation. just because we are discovering the expanding gaps in our knowledge, find out how how things work, naturally, does not mean it was not work in the first place.

  "by their works you will know them" . ( using the new neutral pronoun craze to describe the supposed father figure)
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  Is it Logical To Beleive In A Creator - GOD ? In This Scientific Age ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don`t think so .

  hasn`t science ,astronomy ,time , .....proven it an illogical beleif ?.

  with the information about this solar system and it`s planets ,other stars and their planets that we have information about ,and the fact that no god has ever revealed him/her self in any shape or form 'there is no evidence that a creator / god has ever existed.. except in the minds of humans who want to control a section of humanity .. the fact that religions rely on "you have to have faith" to beleive in a god ,surely is a cop out.. i look forward to your comments .. and a happy new year to you all..

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  Solar System and it`s Planets i.m.h.o., the solar system is a non biblical message from a possible creator.

  take the 10s: the number of our digits. Brought to the simplest ratios, the planetary orbits* give our planet the number 10 .

  In 1/10 AU,: from Mercury to Pluto: Mercury 4, Venus 7,+3 = Earth10, +6 = Mars 16,+12 = Asteroids 28 +24= Jupiter 52, +48 = Saturn 100, +96 = Uranus 196 neptune 292, + 192 = Pluto 388. ( minim .3 AU maximum 9.6 Au. doubling of orbit diameter spacings. , and:

  Earth orbit diameter: 1000 seconds.

  surface gravity: 10 msc^2

  orbit velocity: 1/10 000 of "c" * the speed of light the max universal speed limit

  ratio of moon and earth rotation: 1:100*

  atmospheric pressure: 10 meters of water. and

  the ha ha factoid: Noah's flood: 10meters rain per hour. makes you cry., watery eyes
  

  
  All this, and life itself could have seemingly created itself, prompted by the eternal energy and laws given to the universe. No hands- on -work needed, as I.Newton thought.

  Creation, a creator is beyond what we can think. The bible and it's religions present but a caricature of the immense work we live in.

  * independent of what units of measure used.
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  Is it the reading out loud of the scriptures to others? Is the food literal food which is fed to people hungry for literal food to feed their literal tummies?

  Jesus did both, so do some charities.