Posts by jwundubbed

102

If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!

by venus in

many people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.

in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).

it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.

jwundubbed

I am prefacing my comment with the fact that I am not an atheist. I believe in God. I also believe that God doesn't exist and you can't prove me wrong on either account because you have no proof either way. Personally, I believe what I believe and you can disagree with me, you can dislike my beliefs, but you can't change them and you can't prove me wrong. It's belief, not fact.

The premise is that the people teaching 'God' are wrong but God still exists. And you are absolutely right, in a sense. When we believe in things we make them real. We have a concept of something which cannot be proven and people believe the concept. Thus, yes. God is real.

As are Santa, dragons, magic, and many other things that a mass of people believe in, but for which there is no physical proof. They also exist because people believe in them. There is no point in trying to convince people who don't believe in them that they do exist. There is no proof and people who believe don't need proof.

I think a better question is why are you trying to convince people that you are right and they are wrong? Who cares that much what other people think about something that has zero impact on our lives. It is a supremely moot argument. Believe, don't believe. Noodles, no noodles. It's all the same in the grands scheme of things.

20

Can JW's celebrate Hannukah?

by Splash in

what's the official teaching on celebrating this jewish festival?.

jwundubbed

@Carla

That is why they don't celebrate Thanksgiving."- yeah right. I think most jw's do in fact do Thanksgiving even if they sit around a table with a turkey, mashed potatoes, stuffing & cranberry sauce telling each other that it is not Thanksgiving, it is. Doesn't matter if they it do it on Fri, Sat or Sun instead of Thurs to the rest of the sane world they ARE celebrating Thanksgiving. They just had to get everybody together on a different day like the rest of us do at times.

I can't speak for witnesses today but when I was in, No they didn't. We went to movies. My friends usually went to concerts or did things they didn't normally have time for on a Thursday. Most witnesses that I knew would work that day and get the extra holiday pay. I never knew any JWs who ate turkey, or any of the other Thanksgiving dinner dishes, at any point during Thanksgiving weekend.

20

Can JW's celebrate Hannukah?

by Splash in

what's the official teaching on celebrating this jewish festival?.

jwundubbed

The Jewish people, like Jehovah's Witnesses, are not Christians (followers of Christ). Jewish people are also not God's chosen, as Jehovah's Witnesses alone have that privilege. Jewish people are still waiting for the messiah, obviously Jehovah chose not to send them that memo. Jehovah's Witnesses rightfully understand that Christ came and went and is only important in his death. Jehovah is the deity that matters and is ALL that matters. Of course you can't celebrate Hannuka!.

Even if it weren't about Jesus or religion, Jehovah's Witnesses have to be different. That is why they don't celebrate Thanksgiving. They have to set themselves apart from the very evil nice people of the world. Give thanks indeed!

20

Does anyone like Steampunk?

by days of future passed in

i love people's being creative with this genre.

i stumbled on this video which is a lot of fun.

past the end credits is out takes and how it was made.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=211lnk5vnjm.

jwundubbed

If you like tabletop RPGs, check out Airship Pirates.

If you like comics, check out Girl Genius.

And yes. I like steampunk.

Also... check out what could be considered a steampunk instrument?

a steampunk instrument?

34

Bringing reproach on Jehovah's name.

by ScottyRex in

jw
friends

i have thought long and hard about this, you know in those midnight hours.. you will probably string me alive in what i say, but here you go-.

i feel that the jw's do have the truth.

i do agree with the doctrines and biblical exgenesis they propound.i do feel that they have the 'truth' i do understand they are imperfect, and i think they have had to 'refine' their teachings as time has gone on-and change accordingly- i see nothing wrong with this.

jwundubbed

If bringing reproach on Jehovah's name is such a bad thing... then why have the Jehovah's Witnesses made his name a joke?

For the amount of 'witnessing' they do, no one knows what 'Jehovah' means. Think about all the jokes about Jehovah's Witnesses. Most of them are inaccurate at best, but the mainstream comprehension is that Jehovah's Witnesses are a joke. They are those people who bother you by knocking on your door and making you listen to... whatever they make you listen to. They are weird. And then, people hear about the abuse.

I don't think the powers that be care about 'bringing reproach on Jehovah's name'. I think they just use that as a tool to control their members.

36

Kleenex Head Covering

by jwundubbed in

growing up a woman in the cult was pretty bleak.

most of the adult women i knew were either depressed sad women or an embarrassment to me.

i was typical kid in that regard.

jwundubbed

JW land women wear the pants ,they just let men think they do - smiddy3

I had to think about this for a while before replying. The reason is that I did see a lot of women who wore the pants in their own families. A few of these women actually did have some amount of power, and they were usually Elders' wives. Most of the women I knew who had some amount of lead in their personal lives were either abusive themselves or said nothing when people under them were abused (usually by their own husbands). Having gotten out of the cult and having learned a whole lot more about cycles of abuse and what abuse does and does not look like, I don't think that I can say that very many of those women actually wore the pants in their families. I think most of them appeared to take the lead while living very abused lives.

I think that most of what I think or have thought I understood about JW interpersonal relationships is or was skewed and wasn't at all what I had thought it was at the time.

36

Kleenex Head Covering

by jwundubbed in

growing up a woman in the cult was pretty bleak.

most of the adult women i knew were either depressed sad women or an embarrassment to me.

i was typical kid in that regard.

jwundubbed

Yeah, I've seen diapers used as head coverings too. No, never the dirty ones. Surely there is a kleenex (new or used) if there is a diaper bag.

11

Jealous of the JWs in 2017

by pleaseresearch in

i know your going to be thinking what???.

but it's true, when i was a young boy i had to go to the 5 weekly meetings.

also with my mum we would be at the doors and actually have debates.

jwundubbed

I think it must be harder to want to leave when the substance is reduced. It was pretty easy to hate a religion that forced me to do things I didn't like and took up so much of my time. They never made it easy to fake my way through a meeting or ministry work like they have now. I mean, why not stay in it if you don't care and if it is fairly easy to get through. It looks a lot more like the churches my worldly family attends. Most of them don't care about going to church and aren't really believers. They just go for the people who do care and why not, it is only one day out of the week and the services are easy to daydream through.

I'm glad it was so much worse when I was in it. That only helped me in deciding to leave.

36

Kleenex Head Covering

by jwundubbed in

growing up a woman in the cult was pretty bleak.

most of the adult women i knew were either depressed sad women or an embarrassment to me.

i was typical kid in that regard.

jwundubbed

I never saw an elder's wife wear a head covering. My family was never part of those inner circles. So, I only ever saw the beaten down woman wearing a head covering, using a tea towel, a magazine, a shoe, a spoon, or whatever random thing was handy. There probably were women who did that so that people would see how perverse it is. But consider the context. Women didn't do that when a man was present because the man could take the lead. They did it in front of each other and in front of children or teenagers. They didn't do it in front of anyone with any real power.

And to those of you who read that and laugh... that is my point. What exactly is so funny about that? I mean, take a moment to think about how that must feel to be that person looking so very ridiculous and doing so because they think that is how they are honoring God. Imagine how that poor woman with the slipper on her head must have felt to actually put that on her head in front of her husband... in front of her children. I really do not see what is funny about that. Not at all.

28

When You Were A JW Did You Ever Stand For The National Anthem?

by minimus in

jw
friends

as a witness i always found a way to not have to embarrass myself by sitting down for the national anthem.. i’m curious.

how many of you stood up for the patriotic song?.

jwundubbed

I only stood during the National anthem if I felt like it. I never stood during the pledge of allegiance. I have lung disease so I have a reason not to stand sometimes. But now that I am out I will stand for the National Anthem. But I don't sing it and I will never say the Pledge of Allegiance. Now, more than ever do I believe that doing so is wrong. When I was in, it was for my religion. Now, it is because anything that represents our country can be used in really wrong ways. So, I don't use representations of our country as stand-ins for my patriotism.