Posts by jwundubbed

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Come on, Mainstream Media!

by Wild_Thing in

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it has been sickening to read the most recently leaked documents by faithleaks.

it makes me so angry because so many of us have experienced first hand the horrible policies of the watchtower on abuse.

i feel like these documents are finally the smoking gun we have all been hoping to expose the watchtower, and so far, the only mainstream news that i have seen pick it up is newsweek.. what will it take for the mainstream media pick this up and give it the attention it deserves?

jwundubbed

It isn't just that the JWs aren't as big as the Catholic church. There is a delusion that all JWs are taught and that is playing a big part in this conversation. We were all taught that the world was watching us, that the JWs were the center of the universe. The reality is that every single person I have spoken to after leaving the cult has almost no idea who the JWs are. Every time I tell someone I was a JW they ask me what that is.

No one is covering this 'big leak' because it is only a big leak to the people involved in it. To everyone else it doesn't matter any more than it would matter if a leak of the same type was made about the policies of the ONE Campaign (an international campaign with 8 million members). To them it would be huge, but we are all asking what that is.

Catholicism is the original christian religion. Every other christian religion is a spin-off of that. The JWs are spin-off of a spin-off of a spin-off. No one else cares or even knows who or what we are. If you want mainstream attention then you have to get the Jehovahs Witnesses into mainstream media in the first place. Most JWs don't have the charisma for mainstream media. If you had some people who understood mainstream media and also had charisma... A youtube channel that was entertaining and highlighted the crazy of the JWs might take off. People love watching crazy, when it is entertaining and done well. If you had some entertaining people doing a podcast that views the world from the crazy perspecive of the JWs that might also work. But the JWs and the exJWs seem to think that the world will care about a group of people who don't care about and are not part of the world. This should be a 'Duh!' moment, and instead ex-jws are dumbfounded as to why the rest of the world doesn't care about them. The rest of the world doesn't have any reason to care about the JWs.

One Campaign - International ogranization with 8 million members.

Catholic count by country - Wikipedia from Catholic citations

Catholic count by country - Pew Research Center (1910 to 2010)

Jehovahs Witness count by country - Wikipedia from JW citations

Unable to find statistics on the JW religion that don't come from the JW.

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Why did the Governing Body come behind the curtain?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

in the movie the wizard of oz, while the whole yellow brick road gang was being addressed by the great and powerful wizard of oz, the dog toto ran off to the side, pulled back on a curtain, and showed that a normal-looking humbug of a person was operating cranks and levers.

for a short while, the normal-looking man kept yanking levers and cranking cranks, and said into the microphone (which made the great and powerful wizard speak the same words) "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

i am the great and powerful wiz .

jwundubbed

There is a major difference between the Wizard of Oz and the GB. It took a moment, but the WoZ understood that once the curtain was pulled back he couldn't keep the act up. The GB believe that the curtain is irrelevant. They are completely clueless!

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Would You Go To A Memorial Service For A JW )if you were no longer attending the KH)?

by minimus in

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friends

some of my old jw friends are sickly and getting on in age.

so far, i’ve only gone to my mother’s memorial and have avoided the kingdom hall altogether.... your thoughts please?.

jwundubbed

Memorials and funerals aren't for the dead. They are for the living. It gives us closure. It is a necessary part in processing the death of a loved one. Not everyone needs this to be part of their process of grief but many, if not most, do.

One day my mother or my sister will die. I will go to both their funeral/memorials. I won't listen to the indoctrination that the JWs insist on foisting on the bereaved. I also won't allow members of a religious group to control me. It isn't about them any more than it is about the dead. It is about me and what I need to process the death of people close to me. It sounds selfish, and to be honest... it should be. There is no reason to be selfless and thinking of others when processing your grief. That is the opposite of helpful.

What I need is to see their dead bodies. I need proof that they are dead. Once that is done I can go and finish processing elsewhere. No religious organization gets to control my right to grieve for people I was close to. Allowing them to have that control over me is a power that I refuse to give them.

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The Scientific Method

by cofty in

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jwundubbed

Science is like technology. It is usually the human factor that gets it wrong or keeps it from working.

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The Scientific Method

by cofty in

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jwundubbed

Sometimes the minimalist approach makes everything clearer and easy to understand. In this case the result is the opposite. I don't really get it.

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A Former Jehovah's Witness shares her me too story

by LisaRose in

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/12/16/a-former-jehovahs-witness-shares-her-metoo-story/.

when i was 23 years old, i started dating a (jehovah’s) witness boy and we’d go out to some dance clubs.

there was a night in particular where i had too much to drink.

jwundubbed

@Nemesis and others who don't think these stories are valid unless a victim goes above and beyond their circumstance.

Here are some really good, short videos that address why women don't report abuse, why they stay in abusive situations, and what victims of assault would like out of a reporting system.

Why women stay silent after sexual assault.

Why domestic violence victims don't leave.

The reporting system that sexual survivors want.

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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories

by Bangalore in

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friends

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.

for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.

the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.

jwundubbed

@Hecce, where is the explosive response part? I don't see that.

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A Former Jehovah's Witness shares her me too story

by LisaRose in

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/12/16/a-former-jehovahs-witness-shares-her-metoo-story/.

when i was 23 years old, i started dating a (jehovah’s) witness boy and we’d go out to some dance clubs.

there was a night in particular where i had too much to drink.

jwundubbed

If a woman claims a man raped her while she was drunk and then he counters that she had sex with him while he was drunk, both people can be charged with rape. See how that works? The law doesn't make as many distinctions as you seem to think it does, because laws don't cover every single possible situation. That is what prosecuters, lawyers, judges, and jurries are for.

I think you are the one who is mistaken. Got to any university campus where they are teaching students about what rape actually is and you will find that if a person cannot consent, then it is rape. If a person is under the influence of a substance which removes their ability to consent... then it is rape.

Is every single person charged just because they had sex while drunk? No. Again, the law doesn't work that way.

It's only rape if there's no verbal consent...

Your understanding of the law is outdated.

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A Former Jehovah's Witness shares her me too story

by LisaRose in

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/12/16/a-former-jehovahs-witness-shares-her-metoo-story/.

when i was 23 years old, i started dating a (jehovah’s) witness boy and we’d go out to some dance clubs.

there was a night in particular where i had too much to drink.

jwundubbed

Fred Franztone,

Don't use this to push your own puritanical agenda. Saying that all drunk sex is rape is a ridiculous assertion. I'd wager that for most couples, drunken sex will have accounted for many of their happiest times together.

In the United States drunk sex is actually considered rape legally. If both people are drunk they can both be legally charged with rape. I was stating a fact of law, not my personal opinion. And even if the people involved are a couple or married it is still considered rape, by law. What exactly do you think my 'agenda' is?

But if your mind is altered then you aren't capable of making informed consensual choices and so I happen to agree with this particular law. In other countries... you would have to look it up top see if drunk sex is legally considered rape.

If one person has sex with another person while they are unconscious, regardless of if the person is drunk, asleep, in a coma, or drugged... then the person initiating sex is committing rape, legally speaking.

Legally, the lines aren't very grey. If a person is inebriated then they cannot legally consent to sex. So, to all of you who responded... legally there isn't a big difference in what counts as non-consensual sex when alcohol or other mind altering substances are involved. There may be a big difference in how those cases are prosecuted or in what sentence one gets from such a charge.

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A Former Jehovah's Witness shares her me too story

by LisaRose in

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/12/16/a-former-jehovahs-witness-shares-her-metoo-story/.

when i was 23 years old, i started dating a (jehovah’s) witness boy and we’d go out to some dance clubs.

there was a night in particular where i had too much to drink.

jwundubbed

In 2016, the Pew Research Institute produced demographic data, showing that Jehovah’s Witnesses make up less than one percent of the U.S. population. In California, two-thirds of them are women. The religious organization has a low retention rate relative to other U.S. religious groups, according to Pew. Sixty-six percent of adults raised as Jehovah’s Witnesses no longer identify with the group.

I wish I had known these stats when I was in. Way different than the picture they present.

Nobody should loose all their family and friends because they were young and stupid and had too much to drink.

No they shouldn't. No one should lose their family and friends because a man raped them while they were drunk. It isn't sex if either of them are drunk because drunk people can't consent. From what she said it wasn't his first time doing that at all (he cried about having a problem when it happened the first time) and he continued to do it during their marriage.

That whole situation just sucks.