If it wasn't the cult making my life bizarre, or my mother's abuse making me too terrified to try, then it was constantly moving like nomads that made sure I never had any 'near life experiences'. About the only thing close would have been going to an amusement park with friends or family. Not a big one like Disney or Universal or Sea World, but the smaller ones like town fairs, Worlds of Fun (Kansas) or Hershey Park (Pennsylvania). That was the closest I ever felt to being normal.
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Born ins: did you have "near life experiences"?
by truthseeker ini recently watched the 90s movie fight club for the first time and heard the phrase "near life experience.".
for me, a different definition of this phrase would be someone who grew up in the truth and led a very secluded and restricted life (like me) but on rare occasions actually experienced something that was considered quite normal by most people.. growing up in "the troof" was depressing.
it was characterized by long periods of loneliness.
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You won't believe this ... Jehovah's rich blessing has befallen me !!!
by dubstepped inmy dad died a couple years back (not how you thought this would start, i know).
he was an elder, and a very emotionally abusive father, well before the point where he ever shunned me.
he died pretty much penniless, and never would buy life insurance or anything.
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jwundubbed
Maybe it was Satan sticking it to Jehovah.
Sorry, had to play devil's advocate for just a moment.
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Shunning: Reasoning With JW's
by The Fall Guy inperhaps this line of questioning could agitate a jw's thinking.
it can't hurt.. you: is shunning a biblical teaching?.
jw: yes.. you: so it must be god's law?.
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jwundubbed
How much LOVE did Jehovah show the human race during the 4,000 years or so leading up to the baptism of Jesus ? - smiddy3
Oh My God! Of course you say that then I have to think about how much love he has shown us since the bible was written... and... well he doesn't do any of the things he used to. He doesn't talk to us at all.
Does that mean that Jehovah is shunning the human race??? <blink><blink><blink>
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Things you didn't expect to like...
by sparrowdown instuff you never expected you would do or enjoy doing as a non-witness.... researching - always thought i hated study and reading turns out it was just wt literature i hated studying and reading.
having political opinions and just having opinons and beliefs that are not set in stone and that i am free to assess, review and adjust as i become more aware of imformation .
droping the f-bomb every now and again to make a point feels surprisingly good but that may just be post-religious rebellion that wears off... eventually.
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jwundubbed
Talking to strangers. When forced to go door to door... I hated it more than anything else. Later, I was a hairdresser for 10 years and I had to learn how to talk to strangers and how to make conversation. It's actually quite enjoyable when I do it because I want to and not because I am being forced into it.
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Heb. 1:2-3 Proof we should worship Jesus?
by NikL injw.org believes that jesus is not god but a separate entity.
let's go with that for the time being.
in the referenced scriptures the writer of hebrews says that jesus "sustains all things by the word of his power" and has been "appointed heir of all things".
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jwundubbed
Using a spiritual/religous text to determine if you should worship their G/god...
At best that is a circular argument. At worst... just really dumb. I mean... think about it.
But let's say we go with your example. If it is the same as a royal heir to rulership... people respect Prince Charles but they don't refrain from turning their backs on him or give him any of the other behaviors only given to the ruler of England because he isn't the ruler of England yet. So, by your own example, Jesus shouldn't be worshiped until he takes over the rulership... and thus becomes God himself.
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Dog peeing on a literature cart
by Bad_Wolf inlook at the dogs face, i can't stop laughing at this!!
and he's peeing right into the holder part of the literature, so they are going to have manually wash that out haha.
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jwundubbed
Cost of a home bible study? Free
Watching a dog pee on the hate propaganda? Priceless.
Side Note: How much do they think worldly people pay for home bible studies?
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Shunning: Reasoning With JW's
by The Fall Guy inperhaps this line of questioning could agitate a jw's thinking.
it can't hurt.. you: is shunning a biblical teaching?.
jw: yes.. you: so it must be god's law?.
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jwundubbed
The main reason that you cannot reason with a JW, which by the way is talked about a lot in this forum, is called Cognitive Dissonance. Reason doesn't work when there is a disconnect that interrupts reason and logic.
The person could potentially cite the ideas of respect towards parents and parental obligations towards children. But even if they have no argument against your point, they will simply disconnect from the argument entirely and tell you that times have changed and God sends his laws to the GB now. It may be ignorant and lack logic and reason, but it is a circular argument that can't be argued against. They believe what they believe, and trying to argue with them won't change their minds.
Even when I couldn't argue a person's point (and that was all the time when defending my JW beliefs) I could always simply refuse to argue and put up that my belief is what it is and can't be changed. Then, even though I couldn't stand up for my own beliefs I would feel threatened with people trying to tell me that my beliefs were wrong. And that would make me think of all the instances where the literature and the studies talk about how Satan and worldly people will try to break you down. It did the opposite of what you seem to be wanting to do. It made me dig in deeper.
So, yeah, it could hurt. It might sew a seed of doubt or it might sew a seed of self-righteousness. I didn't leave because someone showed me the error of the beliefs. I left because I was shunned based on a rumor. I left because I personally saw inconsistencies in the way people behaved and the way they said they behaved. I left because the way people treated others was wrong. I left because I realized that no 'man' had the right to come between me and my relationship with God, and no man had the right to speak to me as though they were speaking for God, especially since they were getting it wrong.
A lot of people leave or stay in because of a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with JW doctrine and beliefs.
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JW's are slaves- but not in a good way
by joey jojo ini was reading about the american slave trade again recently.
as anyone who has read anything about the subject knows, it makes for very uncomfortable reading.
every time i read the history, i'm left with a sense of outrage and seething anger at the pure inhumanity and injustice of what life must have been like for those people.
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Pretty sure that's called "employment".- Vidiot
No. There are people who engage in consent based relationships where they negotiate and contract the relationship. Think along the lines of Fifty Shades of Grey only not ridiculously stupid. Marriage used to be a form of slavery and was contract based. It was a contract between men and women had no choice. Today no one thinks of marriage as being a contract, but it is. And while it isn't put on paper in legal form, vows are the negotiation and the rings are signs of the contract. You even have to have a license (in the US) if you want to get married.
Today, marriage is consensual for the women as well as the men. And today, people can actually go into slavery consensually. I'm not saying this is right or wrong. I'm not saying whether it is weird or not. What I am saying is that if you want examples of slavery that is good, or slavery that isn't 'always' bad, you read a book or do a tiny bit of web research. It isn't hard to find both in past history and currently.
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JW's are slaves- but not in a good way
by joey jojo ini was reading about the american slave trade again recently.
as anyone who has read anything about the subject knows, it makes for very uncomfortable reading.
every time i read the history, i'm left with a sense of outrage and seething anger at the pure inhumanity and injustice of what life must have been like for those people.
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jwundubbed
read it again.... and again.... see the contradiction? Its not found among white people... but it is found among the indentured servants of england and america? Those are white people. In your rush to idenitfy the white man as the root of all evil you made directly contradicting statements. - _Morpheus
Um... I didn't say that good slavery isn't among white people. I said you don't find good forms of slavery among the traffickers of white slavery. White slavery is sometimes perpetrated by white people and sometimes by people of other races. Human trafficking of any race doesn't contain consensual contracts between people. Indentured servitude existed among white people and other races as well. It was sometimes consensual and sometimes it was good, sometimes it was bad.
I actually didn't identify anyone as the root of all evil. I didn't talk about evil at all. I talked about consensual slavery. And consensual slavery in the United States today, in consent based relationships with power differentials and ownership between partners is actually predominantly among white people. There are some people of other races but it is predominantly a white demographic. It also, is not evil, because it is consensual.
History can be full and at the same time have rarity. It's called time. Humans have been recording history for how long now? You can have rare examples from specific eras, or among specific races but when you add up all the examples they have a fullness to them. I understand that the complexity of humanity isn't always black and white and it is easier if you can't have it both ways, but sometimes you can have it both ways and still be telling the truth. Rarity and fullness are not mutually exclusive terms. Both words can actually be used in different ways, and then context is important. Time and recorded history is a very broad context that allows for two seemingly opposite words to actually function at the same time and do not equal each other out.
I also understand that it is more comfortable for people to believe that a topic like slavery is only 'one way'. That it was bad and there are no shades of grey only shades of black and white. But that isn't true. People have been enslaving other people since the beginning of time. You find it among the Vikings, among the American Indians, among the Druids, among the Aztecs, etc. on and on. You find it among people of the same races, among people of the same classes/castes, and among people of the same religions.
It is fine for you to have your belief about what slavery is and isn't but based both on my unique experiences and education, slavery isn't always bad. I'm allowed to have my belief and to say it openly too.
Who polishes poo? Seriously? Read a book. Try reading a book that does more than just confirm your own bias.
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Judge Orders Jehovah's Witnesses to turn over Internal Documents re: Childhood Sexual Abuse
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://nixlaw.com/news/judge-orders-jehovahs-witnesses-to-turn-over-internal-documents-related-to-childhood-sexual-abuse/.
judge orders jehovah’s witnesses to turn over internal documents related to childhood sexual abuse.
april 12, 2018. .
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jwundubbed
This is nothing new. The JW have been ordered to turn over documents in many cases and have refused in many cases. They are then found to be in contempt of court and are fined, usually a daily sum until they produce the ordered documents. I don't have the link but in one case it was like $4,000 every day they didn't produce the documents. Months later they were still in contempt of court.
I hope these victims get what they are asking for, but I'm not optimistic about their chances.