Posts by jwundubbed

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Hatred From My Children for Not Leaving the Organization Earlier

by new boy in

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i'm not proud of the fact that it took me over 50 years to realized what the organization really was and to finally leave it.

not proud at all, i feel pretty stupid.

however i didn't lose my children.

jwundubbed

Kids blame their parents. You don't have to have raised them in a cult for them to blame you for how their lives turned out. This is actually a stage of development that people go through. A lot of children (meaning offspring... not meaning young in chronological age) go through this stage in their early 20's. Some people don't go through this stage until they are older or also going through a mid-life crisis. Children in crisis often blame their parents.

You can empathize with your children. You can have regrets. But at a certain point in time you need to let them know that blaming you isn't healthy and they need to get on with their lives and more forward or they need professional help. They might need both.

You did the best that you could. You got out. That you didn't get out in time... well you can't change that. And who knows if that would even have been better for them? Playing the 'what-if' game is never a good idea.

The real danger is letting your kids think that it is okay to play into an idea that their lives would be drastically different if things had been different. Very little in life changes our course and destination. We have all these movies telling us that if we made just one single change in our past our lives would turn out drastically different but I don't believe that is true. The only changes that massively effect our lives are the pivotal choices. You already did that for them by deciding to leave. That was a pivotal choice. When that choice happened wouldn't have made as big an impact as the fact that you did leave.

Don't be too hard on yourself and don't let your children be too hard on you either... unless you did something really wrong to them. Waiting to make sure you are making the right choice isn't the wrong choice to make.

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Apostate - what does the word mean to you?

by Tallon in

over a period of time i got to thinking - what does the word 'apostate' mean to me.

having given it some thought, this is my view;.

the org has given the word its own definition and basically use it to demonise people and consider them pariahs.. however, the jw meaning of 'apostate' is a mere word and only has power if recognised as such.

jwundubbed

'Apostate' is just a JW buzzword. It doesn't have much meaning to me at all.

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My brain will explode

by Alex Bogdanov in

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i am so tired to talk to jws that i know.

i think one day i will become rude and ingore them and avoid them.

every conversation ends like this-.

jwundubbed

Why are you trying to convince them that you are right and they are wrong. That isn't a typical conversation. It always ends the same way because they are operating under cognitive dissonance and you can't argue logic to someone who doesn't have logical thoughts.

To be honest I think it would be more polite if you did ignore and avoid them. I think that the conversations you are trying to have with them now... is actually you being quite rude.

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I don't get why some point to the no tolerance for gays and subjugation of women as a JW thing.

by blownaway in

some churches have taken the step to allow gays, women instructing men ect.

but its not a jw thing.

its a bible thing.

jwundubbed

If you are going to believe in the bible as the word of god you have to believe that women are not to be in a position over a man, that gays are gross sinners and the bible condemns them to death.

@blownaway,

Could you cite the actual places in the bible where these things are states as truths, please? Can you tell me where it says that I have to believe that? And can you do it from a bible that isn't the JW bible, please? And can you also tell me the historical context in which these things were written? And can you use the non-JW bible to prove that these ideas were meant to last for eternity, please?

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Are YOU Shunned By JW Family or Friends?

by minimus in

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some who are not disfellowshipped are still shunned i also know there’ are disfellowshipped ones that family still associate with..

jwundubbed

I am neither DF'd nor DA'd. My younger sister started a rumor about me when I was about 18-20 and half my family shunned me just because of that. Still to this day I have no idea what the rumor actually was and yet my family is still shunning me.

At best I would be considered inactive.

Around 2014 the JWs were making a big push to shun inactive loved ones to show them the error of their ways. My mom decided to shun my elder sister and I (but not our younger brother who went so far as to join the Navy to get out of the JWs) but she waited 3-4 months so that she could tell me she was shunning me on the day of my graduation from college. Great gal, my mom.

I told her not to bother ever changing her mind because I would never forgive her for that and she was dead to me from then on. Still... I've never been officially kicked out or officially left the cult and yet I'm shunned anyway. I know that my mother and younger sister use the cult practice to A.) try to manipulate people and B.) excuse their awful behaviors. But the rest of the family is just operating without any proof or reason.

It isn't loving and shunning me will only ever make me see that I made the right choice to leave. That was the least error-like move I ever made.

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Alex O'Connor's (CosmicSkeptic) great video! Now over 1 million views!

by stuckinarut2 in

wow!.

so as many of us know, alex o'connor (cosmicskeptic) did a great video a few years back in response to the appallingly homophobic caleb and sophia cartoon!.

he gets a lot of views for his videos, but this one has more than any other presentation by him!

jwundubbed

Disclaimer: Any young ones on this forum, if you are reading this thread... don't look this up. It will take you down a rabbit hole you can never come back from and you just can't un-see some things. Be warned.

You know, back when I saw this originally I had all the same arguments.

This time watching it all I could think was...

"One Man, One Woman".... is that a play on the popular video "Two Girls, One Cup"?

It wouldn't surprise me if JW.org were stupid enough to follow the masses of people playing with that title but unlike those masses having no idea what it is referencing. Ironically, I find both videos equally disgusting.

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News spot for JW convention - keep barf bags ready

by days of future passed in

i could barely stand listening to it.

watching the jw pushers at the same time was too much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgix-5pfwf4.

jwundubbed

This is awesome! Can you imagine people showing up out of curiosity because it is a 'big deal'? I don't think the response would be quite what they expect. A free event with videos!!! Provided by people who have no idea what it takes to be entertaining!!! Yeah, it is definitely different! Some blogger or journalist should go and write a review!

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I Think Their Is A Move Coming From Higher Ups To Get These Insane Idiot Out Of The Drivers Seat Of Jehovah's Chariot

by Brokeback Watchtower in

look at all the lawsuits, scandals, unsuccessful cover up, contribution shrinkage, stopped building project, and much more.

these guys are steering jehovah's chariot off a cliff if someone don't put the breaks on these delusional clowns.. so what do you think is there something a foot there at chemical dump clean up site warwick?

i bet you a coup is in the offing, because you know not everyone close to the governing body believes their bull shit but are playing along until the time is right to keep the wt ship from sinking like the titanic..

jwundubbed

Well there you go, all you ambitious & cynical JWs. -- sir82

You forgot to address only the ambitious and cynical MEN.

Do you think they would accept someone who had a female-to-male sex change? You could add that to your list, but that seems pretty extreme. Although... maybe if someone did do that we could get some equality and rights for women to be leaders in the cult.

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I Think Their Is A Move Coming From Higher Ups To Get These Insane Idiot Out Of The Drivers Seat Of Jehovah's Chariot

by Brokeback Watchtower in

look at all the lawsuits, scandals, unsuccessful cover up, contribution shrinkage, stopped building project, and much more.

these guys are steering jehovah's chariot off a cliff if someone don't put the breaks on these delusional clowns.. so what do you think is there something a foot there at chemical dump clean up site warwick?

i bet you a coup is in the offing, because you know not everyone close to the governing body believes their bull shit but are playing along until the time is right to keep the wt ship from sinking like the titanic..

jwundubbed

I think it is far more likely that A.) noting at all will happen and things will go on as they have for way longer than any of us can fathom... until they lose too many members and it just slowly fades into nothing OR B.) the GB will announce that Armageddon has arrived, get everyone to build bunkers and lock themselves in, then run for the hills with their money (you have to know with their tailored suits and nice jewelry that they have money) in off-shore accounts.

Personally, I think A is far more likely. I think they will die out the same way the Shakers did, only slower since they do believe in procreation.

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Born ins: did you have "near life experiences"?

by truthseeker in

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i recently watched the 90s movie fight club for the first time and heard the phrase "near life experience.".

for me, a different definition of this phrase would be someone who grew up in the truth and led a very secluded and restricted life (like me) but on rare occasions actually experienced something that was considered quite normal by most people.. growing up in "the troof" was depressing.

it was characterized by long periods of loneliness.

jwundubbed

If it wasn't the cult making my life bizarre, or my mother's abuse making me too terrified to try, then it was constantly moving like nomads that made sure I never had any 'near life experiences'. About the only thing close would have been going to an amusement park with friends or family. Not a big one like Disney or Universal or Sea World, but the smaller ones like town fairs, Worlds of Fun (Kansas) or Hershey Park (Pennsylvania). That was the closest I ever felt to being normal.