I think y'all are making way too much fuss about Cedar's use of the word ''girls". It is a very common term in chatting forums. Even (many, not all) women who don't like being called 'females' are fine with their chatting/texting/sexting partners calling them 'girl'. It is often just a pet name, not an actual indicator of age.
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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories
by Bangalore inhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.
for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.
the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.
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Should private citizens be allowed to video record law enforcement?
by Fisherman ini saw an article in the news yesterday that laws are going to be passed subjecting the police to being recorded by anyone while performing their duty or enforcing the law and encourages citizens to sue if they interfere.
some law enforcement agents become angry and confiscate recording devices from people recording them while making an arrest, etc.. it does seem that the work that the police and other government agents do is public and not private or confidential so there should be nothing to hide from the cameras.
on the other hand, how can one distinguish being shot by a camera or by a weapon until one is hit?.
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Fisherman - The vid shows that she resisted arrest. That is very dangerous for the cops and for her. But the vid also shows what happened which makes it harder for the cops to lie.
She actually did not resist arrest. The officer chased her while trying to take something from her, which he didn't have a warrant to take. His action was illegal and if she had just handed over what he wanted she actually could be arrested. He didn't notify her that he was arresting her until after he had caught her and started to put her hands behind her back. She had no reason to think that he would arrest her because she was doing her job and upholding the law.
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Should private citizens be allowed to video record law enforcement?
by Fisherman ini saw an article in the news yesterday that laws are going to be passed subjecting the police to being recorded by anyone while performing their duty or enforcing the law and encourages citizens to sue if they interfere.
some law enforcement agents become angry and confiscate recording devices from people recording them while making an arrest, etc.. it does seem that the work that the police and other government agents do is public and not private or confidential so there should be nothing to hide from the cameras.
on the other hand, how can one distinguish being shot by a camera or by a weapon until one is hit?.
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Good explanation why the arrest of the nurse was illegal
This would never have made the news if someone hadn't recorded the event. It clearly isn't security video footage but a recording on a device.... that means that it could have been taken by a private citizen. The officer involved later lost his job. He should have been charged with a crime as well. -
Private citizens recording police actions is the only way to keep them honest. Who polices law enforcement? They police themselves. Anyone who thinks that a system that only has internal policing isn't going to have any corruption is fooling themselves.
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ARC - Final Report - Jehovah's WItnesses
by berrygerry inhttps://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/religious-institutions.
one of our case studies examined the responses of the jehovah’s witness organisation to allegations of child sexual abuse.
we also held an institutional review hearing to provide an opportunity for the jehovah’s witness organisation to inform us of its current policies and procedures in relation to child protection and child safe standards, including responding to allegations of child sexual abuse.as of 31 may 2017, of the 4,029 survivors who told us during private sessions about child sexual abuse in religious institutions, 70 survivors told us about abuse in the jehovah’s witnesses.
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We welcome the inclusion in the recently published Child safeguarding policy of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia of a requirement to report child sexual abuse to civil authorities in cases where elders consider that a child may still be at risk of harm.
The problem with this is that,. as seen in testimony in various court cases, the elders often don't think the person will re-offend. They don't think that 'a child' may still be at risk. The wording still gives elders and opt-out for reporting to civil authorities.
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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories
by Bangalore inhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.
for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.
the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.
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I have a question. If he chooses to use your content, for which you have paid him $150, who owns the copyright to your story? If you decided, at a later time, to write your own story... would you be in breech of copyright/plaigerism laws if you have some of the same content? Would he be legally able to sue you?
Did you know that even if you write something too similar to what you have already written you can be prosecuted for plagiarism?
This is a real issue, and I would advise anyone interested in contributing to his book to look into this before you sign up to give him your content.
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My Father passed away & i'm suicidal. I want to talk to somebody
by Qrystal inin summary, my dad passed away not to long ago, 8 months ago, on april while i was 12. i'm 13 and i've been grieving for 6 months now and im suicidal.
i'm not doing this to get attention, but to talk to someone.
my dad was a jehovah's witness and i want to talk to all of you.
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I attempted suicide when I was 15. I am really glad that I failed. I am here to listen and talk. I will answer any questions that you have. I will help in any way that I can. You can feel free to message me if you want to.
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Things You Still Agree With The JWs On
by Fred Franztone inaside from obvious things that most people agree on, like theft being wrong and the importance of family, i can't think of a single thing i agree with the jws on, nothing that's specific to their religion anyway.
do you have any?.
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one could have respect toward in certain social behaviors such as drug, alcohol, smoking, lose sexual activity other defilements of the flesh but as its known you dont have to have a religion to self direct yourself to a health conscience lifestyle.
One can engage in all those things and still have a health conscience lifestyle. It really is about how you do it. And yes, I include 'defilements of the flesh' in that statement. It is all about learning to do those things with an understanding of the risks involved, with moderation and balance, with an understanding of why you do those things, and of course with informed consent.
@OP...
There are a few things that I agree with... for me personally, but not for everyone. Abortion and military service isn't for me. I would be devastated if I ever killed a person.
Are we talking about what they teach or what they actually practice, because those aren't always the same thing.
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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories
by Bangalore inhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.
for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.
the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.
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jp,
I agree with a lot of what you say on this topic of how people don't fully leave the cult and live in the in-between. I worked my ass off to alter myself and change my behaviors and I still feel like I can't function in the mainstream world. Okay, I have odd ideas and I'm not normal by a long shot. But ignoring that part... I have a hard time making friends. I can't get a decent job, mostly because I don't feel I am capable of it. There is just so much to overcome that it often feels like I never will overcome it and live the life everyone else takes for granted. That bar that mainstream people take for granted and is even low for them is set so high above what seems like an impossible accomplishment. It's just out of reach.
If only those people could see how far I've already come. And if only people coming out could see how much more they need to do than just to leave. But the leaving part is so hard and it weighs you down. You lose your family, every friend you ever had. Even if those people don't shun you, you lose them. At a certain point you just have to distance yourself from the people that were part of that. Sometimes it's because they are unhealthy, or you are. Sometimes it is because the memories you share are just too painful. Sometimes it is because they know you so well that you can't get away from your JW persona. There are lots of reasons, but I lost everyone I knew even though many of them have left.
I don't agree that shining a light on the dysfunctional beliefs is the way to get people out of the shadows. That is how help people at the initial stages of leaving the cult. I think we have to shine a light on the dysfunctional behaviors that we learned. I think we need to make a place where people feel safe to consider the possibility that they aren't as good as they want to be. We were taught that we were the special chosen few and our works and deeds were righteous and true. We lose so much when we leave... how the hell are we supposed to accept that we aren't even the good people we thought we were?
I didn't even shun people, or bring in anyone who got baptized, or indoctrinate my children. I don't have any guilt over the way that I treated people in the common JW belief system. It was an awful realization when I realized that the ways that I thought I was being a loving and kind individual were actually abusive and unkind. I can't imagine how hard that must be on top of the guilt others face for acting according to their beliefs.
And in the same way that people can only be helped to come out of the cult when they want to come out of the cult, we can only help people come 'out of the shadows' when they want to face the facts of what all is holding them back in the shadows. They aren't facing the cult then, but their own selves. Mirrors are most people's Achilles heel.
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Is this life all there is?
by Fisherman inwhat do you sincerely think?
do you nurture any hope?.
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I will let you in, just a little bit, into my bizarro world. I have the strangest beliefs.
There is this theory in science .... well two actually. One says that we create our own realities and the other says that there are an infinite number of alternate realities... and there are theories as to what causes the alternate realities.
I believe that death is another reality, different from this one. That is my definite belief. But I also have this odder belief that a person could potentially get to anther alternate reality through death... that in the same way that some people can accomplish lucid dreaming a person could go live an alternate life in an alternate reality and their body here would die. I won't explain why I have these beliefs. They are what they are, and I believe them.
I also think that it is entirely possible that when one dies they go to the alternate reality that they believe in. So... people who believe in reincarnation would start a new life in a different reality. People who believe that heaven is a place where angels sit on clouds and play harps would find themselves in that reality. Pearly gates or hell... yet another reality. No belief in an afterlife... then no alternate reality.
So, yeah, I have hope.
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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories
by Bangalore inhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.
for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.
the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.
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300 words isn't even barely a paragraph. When I wrote articles for a college newspaper our articles could be no more than 450 words. So, 300 is hardly anything... and then a small quote from one of those? You don't even get your full story in... just a quote from a synopsis, and a byline! That is not worth paying $150. You know websites that seem free are actually making bank because people give them content. So... this guy is getting not just content but is getting people to pay for the privilege of giving him that content. What snake oil salesman!
If you can't write your own book because you don't have enough content.... put in the work and interview people. Give them the (required, by the way) credit they deserve, and then write your damn book. What fake.
I don't have anything against John Cedars. I like his youtube videos. He puts in a decent amount of work to discredit the JWs and to bring some of their inconsistencies into the open. He does some good work. But dude! Don't think that gives you the right to shit on people and call it rosewater.
But most don't do the hard work to eliminate the cult-indoctrinated negative personality traits which they acquired as a part of their association with the cult. - jp
This is so true. I see a lot of people who have horrible traits and yet assume that they were magically transformed just by leaving the cult. It doesn't work that way. We learned to be abusers. You don't stop being an abuser until you put in the time and effort to stop being an abuser. And pointing out other abusers doesn't make you less of one. You still have to do the time and work of changing your behaviors.