Posts by jwundubbed

I hate asking stupid or obvious questions, but I missed something somewhere along the line. What is PIMI and POMI? Did I even get the acronyms correct?

On a sort of related note... does anyone have a list of JW language explained? The language specific to the JWs (and exJWs too) with definitions?

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When You Die Would You Haunt The Governing Body? If It were Possible?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i've been reading a lot about reincarnation these days and i'm beginning to think that it quite possibly might be true, it seems to fit in nicely with the idea that we live in a computer simulation.. anyway according to the tibetan book of the dead when we die we seem to hang around on the earth waiting for rebirth.

at which time we could be ghosts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bardo_thodol.

jwundubbed

I might see if there was a heaven or hell, then see if I could do anything about making sure the GB all got a special single cell together. I would sign a petition or something.

I might see if I could get them all into this cell.

72 virgins

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It’s Stupid That JWs Wont Recognize Birthdays Yet If A Baby Is Born They Will Give Gifts!

by minimus in

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friends

a witness can’t celebrate and give gifts on a birthday except on the day they are born.

giving a baby shower is ok as well as gift giving—- but only once!

soooo dumb!.

jwundubbed

An argument could also be made that baby showers are a way for the community to congratulate a couple for fulfilling God's purpose. Growing up JW as a female I know that there was a lot of pressure to 'marry and have kids' but even women who had kids out of wedlock, or were single parents, or who had kids with a non-JW father still all had baby showers, though the stuff they got wasn't as nice or to the same quantity.

People who get baptized get presents too. Any time people did something that was conforming to the 'JW' way, they got presents. Heck, if you go out in service regularly you get to go out to lunch with other witnesses.

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God seems to have alot of failures?

by purrpurr in

for an all powerful, all knowing god it seems most of his plans go awry, so why assume that armageddon/ new system will work?

look at the track record.

... adam and eve... went wrong.

jwundubbed

this is my favorite bad God choice...

God Doesn't make mistakes

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When You Die Would You Haunt The Governing Body? If It were Possible?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i've been reading a lot about reincarnation these days and i'm beginning to think that it quite possibly might be true, it seems to fit in nicely with the idea that we live in a computer simulation.. anyway according to the tibetan book of the dead when we die we seem to hang around on the earth waiting for rebirth.

at which time we could be ghosts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bardo_thodol.

jwundubbed

Are you kidding? If I become a ghost when I die... there is no way I am spending a single nanosecond of my second life on any JW and especially not on the Governing Body. What a waste of a second life!

Which is precisely why we all spend so much time here on this forum! - jp-

jp, I spend my time here... not to focus on them but to be part of a community that gets me and whom I can relate to. I spend so much time here for people like you... and everyone else here who is worth a bazillion of the GB.

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It’s Stupid That JWs Wont Recognize Birthdays Yet If A Baby Is Born They Will Give Gifts!

by minimus in

jw
friends

a witness can’t celebrate and give gifts on a birthday except on the day they are born.

giving a baby shower is ok as well as gift giving—- but only once!

soooo dumb!.

jwundubbed

I think this is often more about practicality. Many JWs are freak'n poor and kids cost A LOT of money. Babies cost a lot of money. By the time one kid goes through the gifts, many of those gifts are damaged beyond repair. JWs are supposed to put a glossy image on themselves. You can't have babies in stained and frayed clothes all the time or the outside world might think there is something wrong and start investigating.

Most of me and my siblings clothes growing up were hand-me-downs from other families (gifts in a way) or were sewn by our mother. But somehow in all the pictures, you can't tell that we are living in abject poverty... and we look happy. Nothing to see here folks.

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W5 Canadian TV show. March 24 2018. JW and sexual abuse.

by arwen in

w5 on now in canada.

taking about the arc.

and other things.

jwundubbed

Has soon has they hear something in this documentary that is not accurate, and there is some information in there that isn't 100% correct, they will dismiss this entire program has being apostate lies. - skin -

That is unfortunately the truth of it. W5 actually did hit quite a few points that most programs and media miss or get wrong. This program is a good step in the right direction.

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This probably sounds uppity. I'm saying it anyhow

by stillin in

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has anybody else noticed a pattern that is here among us outcasts?

there seems to be, on average, a higher level of intelligence here than there is at the kingdom hall.

actually, intelligent conversation seems to be looked down upon among the witnesses.. also, the simple language skills found here seem to be above average compared to those among the witnesses.

jwundubbed

- There seems to be, on average, a higher level of intelligence here than there is at the Kingdom Hall.
- Also, the simple language skills found here seem to be above average compared to those among the Witnesses. Some of the grammar here could use some polishing-up, but there is actually some substance to a lot of the thoughts presented.

First, intelligence and education are two different things. A person can have a high level of intelligence and still be illiterate. Intelligence is a measure of what a person is capable of understanding. Education is what a person has actually learned.

Leaving a cult doesn't mean you leave your education, or lack thereof, behind you. Some people find that they are free to learn more and not just about religious beliefs but about everything. That doesn't make them more intelligent than those they left behind.

I see a lot of people on this forum who seem to have traded one narrow-minded set of beliefs for a different set of narrow-minded beliefs. I see a lot of commentary that is ridiculously uneducated, especially since Google is free and readily available. We have more access to verifiable information and legitimate sources of information than we ever had before and yet a lot of people don't bother to look things up. Or they go to sources that tell them what they want to hear instead of the unbiased facts and well-rounded points of view.

I see a lot of people on this forum who worked really hard to become better educated. I see a lot of people who don't have a lot of education but are clearly smart. Their spelling and grammar might not be the best but they are clearly working hard with what they've got. And a lot of JWs never finish certain levels of schooling.

To me, this is exactly what I saw in the Kingdom Halls. I saw about 50% of people who were intelligent but uneducated. I saw a few people who were educated and intelligent, but they didn't stick around very long. I saw a good amount of people who were both uneducated and of low intelligence.

I think what you might be seeing is that the kind of people who leave the JWs tend to be people who want to be more educated, but also many of whom are of a higher intelligence (not higher than non-JWs, but higher than those JWs more likely to stick with the cult).

In my immediate family, the six of us are all very intelligent people. We don't all have book smarts but we are all smart in one way or another. My little sister is the only one of us kids who stayed in the cult. She went to college and she has a high level of intelligence. She has some very backwards beliefs which she gets to keep with the cult. She is one of the few people I know of who is both educated and highly intelligent and chose to stay in it. My mother is of good/average intelligence but she never finished high school. She doesn't think that she is intelligent or smart enough to survive in the world outside the cult. She has other reasons for staying but I know that plays a part as well. My little brother, my father, and my older sister are extremely intelligent people and they all went on to higher education. I am a very educated person but I'm pretty sure my intelligence quotient isn't anything to write home about. All four of us left the cult.

I think people with more education or higher intelligence are just more likely to leave a cult.

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Funny News From My Old Congragation - Elder Fight!

by pale.emperor in

i haven't stopped laughing since i heard this.

a pimo in my last congregation told me that an elder has been removed from his elder position.

apparently he grabbed another elder by the throat, put him up against a wall in the back room and punched him in on the nose... during an elders meeting on thursday evening after the meeting.. the congregation were running round like headless chickens wondering what to do?

jwundubbed

I wouldn't mind a special chair in the back. Can I order a recliner?