Posts by jwundubbed

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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

by jwundubbed in

i found out recently that michelangelo's painting of adam on the sistine chapel depicts him without a belly button.

i had never noticed this before and it makes sense that neither adam nor eve would have belly buttons, not having been born in the usual way.

then i realized all the first animals were created rather than born, according to the religious views of the origin of life.

jwundubbed

I just looked at that painting on Wikipedia and he certainly appears to have a navel.

I don't know what I don't know. The idea that the painting did not have a navel on Adam was on a Trivia TV show. It seems weird that they would get that wrong... but maybe there was more to the trivia that I didn't catch. Anyway the idea that Adam and Eve and all the animals were created rather than born, still makes me wonder why no one tries to use that as an argument for why the chicken came first... from A religious point of view.

I would be amazed at how many semantic jerks we have in this community, but as often as this group debates so many things about the tiniest details, it isn't actually surprising. And for those of you who feel that any religious point of view is moot to the argument because of Science!... I see your moot point and raise you the moot point of making a Science! answer in a Creation! conversation. Moot meet moo.

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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

by jwundubbed in

i found out recently that michelangelo's painting of adam on the sistine chapel depicts him without a belly button.

i had never noticed this before and it makes sense that neither adam nor eve would have belly buttons, not having been born in the usual way.

then i realized all the first animals were created rather than born, according to the religious views of the origin of life.

jwundubbed

I found out recently that Michelangelo's painting of Adam on the Sistine Chapel depicts him without a belly button. I had never noticed this before and it makes sense that neither Adam nor Eve would have belly buttons, not having been born in the usual way.

Then I realized all the first animals were created rather than born, according to the religious views of the origin of life. So... the chicken definitely came before the egg. How come this isn't a widely accepted view of the question? I mean, lots of people who ask this question believe in God and are religious. I can't believe I never thought of it before. I get why scientists and atheists would still question which came first, but I would also expect them to acknowledge the religious point of view, if only to reject it. I've never heard anyone use a religious point of view to answer this philosophical question.

The chicken definitely came first!

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Where Adam and Eve Vegan/Vegetarian?

by KerryKing in

jws seem to firmly believe that before the flood mankind eas vegan or at least vegetarian.. however, in gen 1:24,25 it says that god created livestock (domestic animals) and beasts of the eart (wild beasts).. why would adam and eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

wouldn't need wool or hide for clothing, nor meat for food.

possibly for dairy products only?

jwundubbed

Were Adam and Eve vegan/vegetarian?

No one can know what they chose to eat. But I would add to your documentation, the fact that humans have the teeth of omnivores. I think they ate meat. But who can possibly understand the nonsensical logic of the JWs?

Why would Adam and Eve need livestock if they were vegan and naked?

Obviously it was for sacrifice. You yourself cited that documentation. Duh. A coroner also knows all the best meat on any body... it doesn't mean he eats people. Any decent God would tell their believer what they want in their tributary sacrifices. A good writer can impart information without describing every single action. It's obvious that while the bible is literal it also leaves steps out. Telling us that they knew the best pieces of meat for sacrifice could be the writer's way of explaining that they had been told what they needed to know.

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Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

by minimus in

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good pick?

bad pick?

helpful to president biden?

jwundubbed

Let's be real. Harris is irrelevant standing next to Trump. The democrats need a vibrant candidate if they want to have a chance at winning. Even people that don't like Trump were impressed with how he handled being shot at. I'm not impressed with Harris even though she passes my initial bar for candidacy, but only just.

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Radical shake up

by Mikejw in

imagine if all the governing body resigned and a new set of brothers came in and said we are very very sorry for all those who have been disfellowshipped and disassociated over the years.

we know many mistakes have been made.

we are really genuinely sorry to all those who have been hurt and especially those who have died and been hurt by these mistakes.

jwundubbed

Imagine if all the governing body resigned and a new set of brothers came in

But not to worry we will still be discriminating against women. We're different people... still men and only men... so not really different, just different. You know?

Dude... if you can't conceive of gender equality long enough to set your hypothetical in place... nothing can change. When you can't suppose a difference of real value, then there isn't a capability of change because the problem is so systemic that you don't even realize you are part of the problem yourself.

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Elders get Paid??

by jwundubbed in

i just did a google search to see if i could find out if my old kingdom hall was still there, in the town i grew up in.

google has generated questions.

the first question asked how much jehovah's witness elders get paid.

jwundubbed

I didn't think they got paid. The Elders I knew always had hard work/low pay jobs. Maybe the website also assumes that JW Elders are the same as religious leaders in other religions?

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Elders get Paid??

by jwundubbed in

i just did a google search to see if i could find out if my old kingdom hall was still there, in the town i grew up in.

google has generated questions.

the first question asked how much jehovah's witness elders get paid.

jwundubbed

I just did a Google search to see if I could find out if my old Kingdom Hall was still there, in the town I grew up in. Google has generated questions. The first question asked how much Jehovah's Witness elders get paid. Is this for real?

Zip Recruiter

Top Earners Annual Salary: $90,500; Top Earners Monthly wage: $7,541

75th Percentile Annual: $70,500; 75th Percentile Monthly: $5,875

Average Annual: $59,723; Average Monthly: $4,976

25th Percentile Annual: $49,000; 25th Percentile Monthly: $4,083

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So what happens next...

by Farmer Jim1 in

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with what is arguably the biggest change to jw life in recent decades (the scrapping of publishers counting hours) what does this lead to?.

in my mind these are the results;.

1) a massive decrease in 'preaching hours'.

jwundubbed

In order to get baptized I had to be regularly be reporting at least 10 hours a month. If no one has to publish hours anymore... is this criteria just scrapped? I mean, I think it is a great change and I'm all for it.. in or out. But it actually seems like a good criteria that people wanting to be baptized as Jehovah's Witnesses actually do witness to a specific standard. I mean, it's part of the name.

Anyone know what happened with this?

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New Light and Update tracking

by jwundubbed in

does anyone have a list of all the new light or gb updates in order?

is there a post here that lists all the changes in the organization?

i left about 1996 and i haven't kept up, but it seems like a completely different organization than it was when i was in it.

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@peacefulpete

I'm not sure what your answer has to do with my question. I agree that it is as it has always been. I'm still curious about the changes and having a list of them... either since 1996 or since the beginning.

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Help urgently needed.

by MissDaSilva in

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a sister has snitched on me.

got a message from my group overseer requesting a little chat to see if i’m okay.

urgent suggestions needed please.

jwundubbed

You might consider turning it back on your sister. Let them know that you are just fine but that you are really worried about your sister. She seems to be having a lot of doubts and her behavior is odd lately.

My sister started a rumor about me and half my family shunned me. I had no recompense as it was a done deal. That was over 25 years ago and they are all still shunning me. If I could go back, I would take her behavior to the elders and I would explain to them that I was depressed and doing nothing wrong. That was actually the case at the time.

I would still fade out, but maybe I would have maintained some of my family relationships.