Posts by SEAKEN2001

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Preparation for Dateline & online interest

by Kismet in

dateline is just 24 hours (give or take) away.

i really do expect to see a great deal of online activity as people search for more information.

jwd is likely going to be one of the most visited due to the large amount of information posted here on the subject, much by silentlambs themselves.. i also expect to see people visiting randy's excellent site as well as watchtower observer for copies of documentation,news articles, etc.

SEAKEN2001

With all due respect to Kismet and others,

I disagree that anybody should ever put on a display in order to make an impression. I doubt that this show will have the type of affect you hypothesize but if it does the JW mindset will not be swayed even by logic and reason, let alone the removal of all swear words and sex talk. Everyone will find their way and make up their own mind. No need to put out the fine china to impress anyone. This board already speaks for itself in it's tolerance and freedom of expression. I do not think this is such a nice tidy place like a KH or library. This is an open forum that just happens to be populated by many XJW's and others who are interested in the topics we discuss. I've never appreciated the attempts to "police" the honest expressions of those who post here. I do support what seems to be the majority opinion about civility and good form. But I don't see the necessity to suddenly restrict what words we use or the topics we choose to participate in. People can take it or leave it, JW or not.

End of critical response.

Sean

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To laugh or cry, that is the question.

by SEAKEN2001 in

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i just finished reading some very interesting stuff from the fingers of clash and non.

i got up to get some lunch and just broke out in uncontrolled laughter!

but then i thought about how dangerous these people can be and wondered if it was all that funny.. i know that most christians are not a crazy as these two, but the christian community does have to accept some of the blame for this type of thinking.

SEAKEN2001

I just finished reading some very interesting stuff from the fingers of Clash and Non. I got up to get some lunch and just broke out in uncontrolled laughter! But then I thought about how dangerous these people can be and wondered if it was all that funny.

I know that most Christians are not a crazy as these two, but the Christian community does have to accept some of the blame for this type of thinking. And Christians are not alone, are they? So many of these religions keep the people in childish ignorance and do not contribute to maturity, preferring instead to control the thoughts of the believers and keep them focussed on the simpler doctrines, like "all unbelievers go to hell", or "infidels must be killed". Sure, it's easy to understand: you're either in the "truth" or your toast. But it's pretty damn irresponsible to continue to tolerate this foolish immature ideolgy. Why don't Christians speak out against this type of doom and gloom rhetoric? Could it be because they really believe it?

So, it's both funny and scary. Funny to realize how pathetic their attempts at conversion are and how foolish their arguments are. But, scary to think they really believe it and may decide they can't wait for God to wipe all the infidels out and take matters into their own hands.

Sean, shaking his head in wonder.

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X-JWs Who are now bible Christians

by clash_city_rockers in

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hi folks,.

i'm just sort of taking role call to all those x-dubs who are now brothers and sisters in christ.

i think it is wise for us to rise up and be counted so that we know who each other are.

SEAKEN2001

stocwach, borgfree, ThiChi, Billygoat, Oreopandabear, FRUSR8TD, JeffT, Dawn, Adonai438, lv4fer, NeonMadman, mouthy, LittleToe, Dino, AuntieJane, jst2laws, PointBlank

All you Christian folk have joined in here and some of you seemed pleased to associate with Clash as a fellow Christian when he offered this thread as a place to acknowledge your common faith in the Lord. Are you still here? What are some of your thoughts about Clash's bold statements about the eventuality of all who don't believe as he does?

Trotafox, Unclepenn1, RR

You guys have been among the most vocal in defending the faith of Christians. What are your comments? Are you still glad to be Clash's associate? Or, are you a little embarrased by his bombastic "you're going to hell" rhetoric?

I really have enjoyed this thread. It has given me a real roller-coaster ride. I've been angered, surprised, incredulous, appalled, amused, giddy, and downright ecstatic with uncontrolled laughter. The whole gambit. I can't figure out yet if Clash is for real or is just playing games but I must say I am leaning toward the idea that this guy is convinced he is good for Christianity. This is a great start toward a study in the psychology of an elitist. I have great sympathy for you who are Christian and really do love your fellow man. I know you are trying. I only hope you realize that you are still a long way from maturity and have not yet found the salvation you are looking for.

My own salvation came when I finally jetisoned the idea that religions are to be taken seriously. The gods you "worship" are not real. Their purpose is to lead you to your own inner spirit and to help you grow up. But at some point you're supposed to realize that the superstition and mythology is metaphorical and only to be used in ritual. Please, grow up and stop this rediculous diatribe about everyone going to hell or revelling in their own sin. It is little wonder why some folks get so pissed off at you guys telling them they are sinners and going to die at god's hands damned forever in the firey pit of dispair.

I just can't bring myself to say the words I want to say to Clash in this public forum. I have too much respect for you folks who would be offended by my language. But if I were confronted face to face with this guy it would not be a pretty site. I was brought up to be well behaved but I never held back from punching a bully in the nose. It sure would complete this flood of emotion if I could give this guy a good whack! Ha!

Sean

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I finally found him

by RR in

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well, it was inevitable .... we're told.

seek and ye shall find" and i found him, what yahweh really looks like:.

if you don't believe me, check out the link:.

SEAKEN2001

Hillarious! Thanks for the laugh.

Sean

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Being called Jehovah's Witness, embarrasssing?

by LyinEyes in

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even though i was raised to beleive everything the watchtower ever.

said, ... i always doubted that god would destroy everyone at armeggedon.

i couldnt understand how my granny , even thou she was .

SEAKEN2001

Hi LyinEyes,

nice topic. When I was younger I was not given to embarassment too much. I was one of those over-confident types and was not ashamed to be known as a Witness. I gave talks and reports in school based on JW theology and was well known in my home town as a "preacher". I was a nice kid though and didn't bang the Bible and tell everyone they were going to be toast "real soon now". I just believed I had the truth and wanted to share it. As it turned out I was quite popular in spite of being a JW. It seems the "world" really didn't give a damn what religion I held to. Now, I am probably more embarassed about having been a Witness than I ever was as a Witness. But that mostly comes from me since I am so pissed that I was fooled for so many years. As always, most people do not care what religion I profess. Most do not even know anything about what a JW really is so there is no sense in me feeling embarassed about it.

Will Power,

yes, the JW teaching is that shortly after Jesus took the throne in 1914 he kicked Satan out of heaven down to the vicinity of the Earth. But the math doesn't work. They connect this event with World War I but then say that Jesus took the throne in the fall of 1914. Doesn't make sense. As usual, the Witnesses just swallow it and don't think about it.

Seann

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WORLD OF XJWs - ESSAY

by Amazing in

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world of xjws - essay .

pondering the many comments made in the last week about xjws, one might wonder if we are obsessed with, and controlled indirectly by, our individual and collective watchtower experiences.

it may seem to some that we blame the watchtower for every problem in our lives.

SEAKEN2001

Hey Amazing,

I found your essay easy reading and neither too many or too few words. Don't ever let anyone tell you what is too many or too few. You decide just how many words are needed to convey your thoughts.

It seems to me that many people today are poor readers. Probably due, at least in part, to the TV and radio culture. How can we possibly get a balanced understanding of anything without thorough consideration of the topic? Can a 60 second news spot take the place of several hours of good reading before we make up our mind about how we feel or proffer an opinion? I hope more people will fight the tendency to be lazy and read, read, read. If you don't learn to read, even when it's hard, you'll be at the mercy of those who presume to tell you what to believe.

At any rate, all these words just to say I don't agree with the idea that your post's are too long.

Sean

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Do you beleive in God, the bible or religion?

by Leander in

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i'm pretty sure this question has probably been asked before but i'd like to put it out here and see what the responses are.

my doubts about the bible probably began maybe 6 or 7 years ago, they were very small ones however and i managed to supress them for quite a while.

however certain events in my life would make those events resurface.

SEAKEN2001

Leander,

for some interesting perspective on this topic I recommend reading "The Power of Myth" by Joseph Campbell and Bill Moyers. You may begin to understand how these ideas of God, the Bible and religion have come to form in our Western culture. It has helped me tremendously and validated many of my own thoughts regarding these topics.

To answer you query,

Yes, yes, yes. But you may get the wrong idea without an explanation. I no longer believe in a personal god like Jehovah, nor do I consider the Bible anything more than a Hebrew text that outlines their myths. I do not agree with Western concept of religion, as a collection of tenets and traditions that separate various groups from one another. But I do appreciate the power of religion in the human condition and consider it indispensable for growth. I think all these terms are quite obtuse and can be envisioned and understood in countless different ways. I believe there are no set answers and that you will ultimately form your own ideas about these things as you continue to explore your own thoughts and compare them with your own experiences.

Sean

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Update on my Mom - please read

by MrMoe in

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well, mom is now on morphine, so she has a few days at best.

her organs are now faling, heart and lungs are the worst off.

went in the hospital today, laid there next to her for hours.

SEAKEN2001

Hi Moe,

I'm sorry to read your words about your mom. It was just eight months ago that I went through the same thing with my mom. Please accept my love and best wishes. I know it hurts and your feelings are all over the place. Take some time to yourself and resist the urge to lash out at those careless people. You know they are brain-dead and most are scared to death and afraid to admit it. I'm sure you'll find your way. You're already so farther ahead than ever possible as a Borg.

Sean

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Bowen Disfellowshipping/Daramsala Salt Works

by Francois in

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bill bowen's disfellowshipping is very likely to have the same effect as the attack, by british and conscripted indian forces, on gandhi's followers who attempted to close the daramsala salt works.

this event marked the end of the british raj in india - even though the brits stayed in nominal power a couple more years.

the unprincipled and immoral attack upon unarmed demonstrators showed the world the utter lack of ethics and morals of the the british lording it over someone else in their own home.. likewise, the jw attacks, disfellowshipping of people who attempt to protect the most defenseless, the most helpless, the most innocent members of our society, is a carbon-copy of the arrogance of the british raj in india - and at the salt works that fateful day.. these disfellowshippings will demonstrate to the world the complete moral degeneracy of the watchtower bible and tract society.

SEAKEN2001

I don't think the world will take notice, Francois. The JW's barely register on the radar. But for those who are watching it is a clear demonstration of the arrogance of the WTS and may cause some loyalists to question the leadership about tactics.

Accuracy, the reason this sibject is so much more of a "problem" in the WTS is because thie organization claims to speak directly to God and to be the only channel to God in all the earth. The organization itself is held up as irreprehensible. The leaders all claim that the Holy Spirit is directing the appointment of men to positions of oversight, even directing individual efforts of the rank and file as they pursue the preaching work. There is no room for even a single pedophile among the "unified" organization of "God's people". The fact that there are countless victims of abuse, whatever the actual numbers, is reason enough to be very critical of this "clean" organization.

Sean

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I want a Palm Pilot.

by Princess in

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i have decided i need a palm pilot or something like it.

my husband and i run a small plumbing company.

when i leave the house, i forward the phone to my cell.

SEAKEN2001

Rachel, I have the Handspring Visor Deluxe. As long as you're not doing pictures the 8 megs and 4-bit grayscale is fine. But the new Neo has 16-bit grayscale which will be good for pictures. If all you want is scheduling, addresses/phone numbers and some note-taking, any of the lower end units will be fine. You should be able to get a Neo, or similar, for around $150. Check Best Buy for open or clearance items.

Sean