Posts by SEAKEN2001

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Is Blood Thicker Dan Water

by non_trias_theos in

some people in this place think that jws break up families.

they say that since jws df unrepentant baptized members and insist on jw family members restricting association with df members that jws try to break up families.

what do you think about this charge?.

it's the rare JW that will actually debate or carry on an intelligent discussion on topics that call in to question the "truth". I hope you are able to find a JW or two to talk to. So far, I have had only one discussion with an active JW, who used to be a friend, that could be considerred at least partially intelligent. That was over a year ago and he's never been back. All the JW's run like hell from this kind of stuff, or they do this troll crap to get their jollies.

You can have some nice discussions though with former JW's who are no longer afraid to speak their mind. Many here, and there are few other places on the net as well. Welcome aboard.

Sean

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X-JWs Who are now bible Christians

by clash_city_rockers in

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hi folks,.

i'm just sort of taking role call to all those x-dubs who are now brothers and sisters in christ.

i think it is wise for us to rise up and be counted so that we know who each other are.

SEAKEN2001

RR, good answer. I suspect that you are right about Clash not accepting you as a brother. Will you accept him, or is he toast because he's in the wrong camp?

solosecret,

we can't possibly answer that question in a single thread, but I suggest you repost to a new topic and you will get some good responses. Also, keep reading. After you've done your objective study I think you will get your answer. Check out the links at the bottom of the page also. (My short answer is that JW's do not serve the same god that you have come to understand is your god. They tell you that, and even some believe it, but the reality is that they do not know the traditional god of christianity. I'll be happy to elaborate when you start your other topic thread)

Sean

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Being called Jehovah's Witness, embarrasssing?

by LyinEyes in

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even though i was raised to beleive everything the watchtower ever.

said, ... i always doubted that god would destroy everyone at armeggedon.

i couldnt understand how my granny , even thou she was .

SEAKEN2001

Well, of course Will, if your going to read the Bible that's the conclusion you would get. Sheesh!! (grin)

I know, it doesn't make any sense but that's what they still teach. They say Jesus sat at his fathers side until 1914, only taking care of the church. He didn't get his kingship until 1914 and his first act was to toss the red guy with the pitch fork. Come on, you don't get that from the scriptures? What's the matter with you? [g]

Sean

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Help me save my mother!

by raven101 in

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my mother was disfellowshipped 20 years ago for taking up smoking again when she was going through difficult times, no one from the new kingdom hall we were attending (had just moved out of state) bothered to help her at all, just gave her a few weeks to quit or be disfellowshipped.. at any rate she has spent the last 20 years in hell, believing she has betrayed her god and hoping she dies before armageddon so she'll have a chance of resurrection!.

if someone can tell me where to get access to irrefutable proof of the societys association withe the un, and their statement regarding their withdrawal, i believe she will see the error of their ways and start to live a full life again.

this association is something she has not heard of at all, but i cannot bring it up to her until i have documentation.

SEAKEN2001

try this link

http://www.randytv.com/

How about the silentlambs site? and the Dateline show?

Sean

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Children, Advice, Agency and $$$$$$$

by Lee Elder in

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the watchtower society has occupied an enormously important place in the lives of millions.

i believe this is especially true for those raised in the religion.

based on the wts published statements, the teaching of wts representatives and their parents, jw children are methodically indoctrinated to believe that the watchtower is god's organization - his channel for communicating with mankind.

SEAKEN2001

Lee,

I have wondered for a long time why we can't take legal action against the WTS. The traditional answer is that the law protects them as a religion and no one has been successful in the courts to challenge their identity under the law. Is there a chance that this angle of the WTS being an agency could be successfully used to fight these guys who destroy our families and personal reputations? Or has there always been a chance in the courts but no legal agencies have been willing to take it on. Is it the money? Could a class action suite be used? I don't know the legal loopholes but there should be some way for us to fight back in the courts since these guys are only hiding behind the label of religion. If it could be proved that the WTS is responsible for bad advice and creating unstable families maybe they will be forced to change their df/shunning policies in order to avoid constant harrassment in the courts.

Sean

88

Is Blood Thicker Dan Water

by non_trias_theos in

some people in this place think that jws break up families.

they say that since jws df unrepentant baptized members and insist on jw family members restricting association with df members that jws try to break up families.

what do you think about this charge?.

SEAKEN2001

D8TA,

your killing me!! LMAO

You said the very "colorful words" I could not bring myself to say earlier today on this and another fundy topic. But I knew you'd come through! Ha!

Sean

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Dr. Bethea-Jackson

by drahcir yarrum in

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excuse me!!!!

i was alive and kicking 18-20 years ago and i didn't need a fucking study to clue me into the idea that sexually abusing children was harmful.

harmful immediately and harmful in the long term.

SEAKEN2001

Pat and drachir,

I'm with you, what was that all about? I didn't see anything particular off base with drachir's topic.

Dungbeetle, what's up?

If I understood correctly, drachir, you were reinforcing the thought that pseudo-doctor Bethea-Jackson was full of shit. I agree. I was around 20 years ago and can confirm that child-abuse issues were no less of a concern for parents than they are now. Is she trying to say that 20 years ago child-molestation was not considered a crime? Even if that were true it does not change the fact that JW's claim to be governed by god and under his direction and have never claimed to wait for Caeser's law before acting. They've always been so proud of being able to do god's work even "underground". This video is a smoke screen. I'll be surprised if they keep it on their site after the Dateline episode airs. But maybe these guys, the WTS, are getting dumber.

Sean

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Preparation for Dateline & online interest

by Kismet in

dateline is just 24 hours (give or take) away.

i really do expect to see a great deal of online activity as people search for more information.

jwd is likely going to be one of the most visited due to the large amount of information posted here on the subject, much by silentlambs themselves.. i also expect to see people visiting randy's excellent site as well as watchtower observer for copies of documentation,news articles, etc.

SEAKEN2001

I wonder if the NBA playoffs will affect the start time here in NY. What time should I set my VCR for? I think I'll set it to tape in Estended Play mode and get six hours. Hopefully I'll catch the Dateline show somewhere in there.

Simon,
Duh? Dunnoh? Doobee Doobee Doo?

Sean

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X-JWs Who are now bible Christians

by clash_city_rockers in

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hi folks,.

i'm just sort of taking role call to all those x-dubs who are now brothers and sisters in christ.

i think it is wise for us to rise up and be counted so that we know who each other are.

SEAKEN2001

Hi Mulan,

yeah, been busy -- too busy! I get a few days off but am leaving town.

It's funny you said you rarely read these threads. Me, too. But I was looking for something to get me jumpstarted while waiting for the Dateline thing. A good fundamentalist argument always gets me going some way or another, hah!

Gumby,

good analogy to what many millenialist Christians believe about judgement day. Of course, reasonable Christians see the foolishness of this interpretation of the apocalyptic passages in the Bible. It's only too bad that many Christians take this kind of commentary personally and get defensive. It really is not necessary to believe in this "judgement" theology and "kill the un-believers" to be a Christian. What is needed is a mature world view instead of childish foolishness.

Still haven't heard from the other Christians on this thread. Did you all decide to distance yourself from this guy? What's up?

Sean

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To laugh or cry, that is the question.

by SEAKEN2001 in

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i just finished reading some very interesting stuff from the fingers of clash and non.

i got up to get some lunch and just broke out in uncontrolled laughter!

but then i thought about how dangerous these people can be and wondered if it was all that funny.. i know that most christians are not a crazy as these two, but the christian community does have to accept some of the blame for this type of thinking.

SEAKEN2001

Mulan,

e-mails? what e-mails? Oh... you mean those e-mails. Yeah, got em. I thought you were just passing on info and not expecting a reply. BTW, the link to the video didn't work. Is that the same video that Randy W. posted a few days ago?

No, my wife and I don't talk on this subject until she gives me the go ahead. The last time I tried it it didn't go too well so I told her we won't be talking about it anymore. I made it clear to her that the WTS is an enemy (the "Society" and all that entails, not the people who are innocent) and that if we ever go to war and she defends them it will be a problem. I am content, for now, to remain fairly silent. I only talk to people who are not connected to the religion. But I've been too busy to remember to inform a few associates that Dateline will be covering a JW related issue. Everybody is on vacation and I'm pulling triple duty. I go away for three day on Tuesday night. I will tape the show. I'll try to find out if my wife knows anything about it yet and offer to watch it with her. I'd also like her to see the video from that social worker who claims the WTS was ignorant about pedophiles 20 years ago. I just keep hoping she will start thinking some day. So far, no evidence of that.

Sean