Posts by SEAKEN2001

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I am a DEIST!!!!.............I think.

by tyydyy in

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according to webster?.

deism- a movement or system of thought advocating natural religion based on human reason rather than revelation emphasizing morality and in the 18th century denying the interferance of the creator with the laws of the universe.

has anyone studied at this school of thought????.

SEAKEN2001

Well, I agree with Nic in that labels are ugly and not necessary for healthy individuals. However, it can be helpful to compare your own ideas with those of others and formulate your own ideas and beliefs. When your beliefs are similar to those of others there seems to be a kind of kinship that surfaces. But it's important to be careful about forming aliances and separating into labelled groups in an attempt to validate your existance. As long as you don't get to feeling that your labelled beliefs are somehow more correct than some other labelled beliefs I suppose it does no real harm.

As to the ideas labelled as "Deist" I tend to personally see the value in them and consider myself in basic agreement with them. One of the foremost proponents of those ideas was Thomas Paine in the 18th century. Read the "Age of Reason" and you will see what I mean.

But Deist is just a label given by those who classify such things as theology so don't get too excited about trying to classify your own beliefs. You will likely find that you agree or disagree with many ideas not officially considerred "Deist".

Take care,

Sean

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trouble for my friend

by Mulan in

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i have posted many times about my jw friend, who still talks to me.

for years we have maintained our friendship, because i have never been df'd or da'd.. she called me this morning to tell me that her husband is being called in for a meeting, by the elders, to discuss her association with me.

we are wondering, now, if a lurker on this board has turned her in.

SEAKEN2001

From the standpoint of your friend I don't see how they can possibly tell her to stop associating with you since you are only inactive. She can simply tell them to stop creating schisms and mind their own business. I suspect that they have other motives. Maybe they are looking for someone to finger you and act as a witness against you. She won't talk so it may come to nothing. Her husband can only supply hearsay evidence. Not that any of these "rules" of justice will make any difference. They will do whatever they want to do and if they think it's time to "protect the flock" they'll make a show of force with whomever makes the best target.

I hope it all just blows over. But I know it must be unsettling to think about the possibilities. I hope your friend can get past all the bull-shit and keep up her relationship with you in spite of the pathetic attempts to disrupt it by the fools her husband entertains as friends.

Sean

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"Music that debases, " LOL

by LDH in

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on the way home from a function last night, an old song from the 80's came on the radio.....flashback time.. dad: you can not listen to that song!.

sister: why not dad?.

dad: because it is like the society says!

SEAKEN2001

My wife is always looking at me strange while I'm listening to music on the radio. I'm terrible with knowing the words and she knows them and tells me they are about sex. I say "cool" and she gives me the evil eye. Ha!

Music is our poetry and is great for expressing our deepest emotions and needs. The JW's and other fundies are all living in a dream world where the mere mention of sex or a penis is considerred tantamount to to murder. Actually, you can listen to a song about murder and probably not get chastised by your Mom but if she senses anything in them there music files about sex, watch out!

Sean

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desert

by larc in

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what is your favorite desert, in the following categories:.

1. pie.

2. cake.

SEAKEN2001

Larc and Alan, way to go! Funny stuff! LOL

I don't think I can even name five deserts! Ha!

Desserts, OTOH,

Pie: Cherry
Cake: Mom's Applesauce Prune Cake
Cookies: Peanut Butter
Ice Cream: Haagen Daz Coffee
Other: Cadbury Carmello

Sean

And to think I almost skipped this topic!

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An Opinion Question

by DIMs Wife in

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do you think that it is better to be disassociated or disfellowshipped or do you think that drifting away is the best option?

SEAKEN2001

I didn't "drift" away. I walked away. Quit cold turkey. Only one brother has ever came by to find out why. Of course, they all know why since I had several discussion with all my elder friends while still in and they knew they had no answers. I fully expect to soemday be DF'd. I don't give a crap what they do or think. I accept any of the JW's who treat me kindly but I do not try to keep a low profile. Just so happens that most of my habits are not very threatening to them right now. But I am thinking of getting more involved in the local community and politics so that may change.

Anyway, I think it depends on who is around you and how it might affect them. If you don't mind risking your relationships, including your marriage, than taking more overt action could work out OK. But if you could lose everyone and everything of importance in your life than going slow and carefully makes more sense. My wife has chosen to stay with me while at the same time supporting her JW religion. She knows my stand and is very upset about it but I am willing to take the risk that she and other family members may end up shunning me. You have to be sure in your own mind and be confident with yourself and then just let the chips fall as they may. I think it is better to be out and getting on with my life but I respect the choice of others to stay in a fade in an attempt to help their friends. I'm not really happy that I have no friends anymore and that is a direct result of my walking away. But I am making new aquaintances and will rebuild a network of friends. Know your own personality and make you choice accordingly.

Sean

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Screen Name vs Character

by Amazing in

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since my character is part of the issues that have been addressed by several posters, i thought that i would clear this up:.

teejay said: conclusion: no more insulting than you when you mentioned that one has to wonder about someone who'd pick the screen name "amazing.".

i am not sure if teejay shares agreement with what he quoted, but for discussion sake, i will treat it as though he does.

SEAKEN2001

I hear ya. I use the same term when expressing the incredulous. I don't know what all the hubbub has been about but for my part you don't need to explain.

You have flaws? Amazing! <g>

Sean

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For JW's: Want biblestudy?

by Carlo in

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hello jw's.

i got mails from a fellow who thinks that i am a jw co. he is so enthusiastic that he wnat to become a jaydub and is sending me mails requesting a biblestudy by e-mail.

of course i can not do that.. so, can any of you jw's who read this, contact him and conduct a biblestudy with him?

SEAKEN2001

Carlos,

your site is great. I don't know whether to laugh or be sad. I've written some similar stuff over the years just to vent my anger and to try and deal with the stupidity I was involved in.

Thanks for the work you did.

Sean

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Ex-JW from Minnesota

by Adonai438 in

i've been reading a lot of stories posted here and have to say i'm glad to know there are so many ex-jw's!.

so, jehovah's witnesses sounded pretty good to me-- it never occured to me that a religion could be wrong.

was i not good enough for god?

SEAKEN2001

Radiolady,

thanks for posting. Did you post this in your own thread yet? People can't find it unless they read Adonia438's thread. Use the button on the main Personal Experiences folder to Post a new topic.

Welcome Adonai438. Thanks for your story.

Sean

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Purpose of life

by ItsJustMe in

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the ageold question that i'm sure we have all given some degree of thought to...what is the purpose of life?

anyone have a theory/opinion they would like to share?.

my personal opinion on this is not solid enough yet to be considered a belief.

SEAKEN2001

I think the question should be: "What is my life's purpose?"

All that really matters is what we make of our own lives. If we have achieved happiness in our own lives than perhaps we have fulfilled our purpose. Maybe bad people serve to teach the good people that it's better to be good.

And I agree with Frenchy, as a species we seem to moving toward something not achievable in this life. Why deprive yourself of your happiness because you can't come to terms with not knowing the answers? Better to resign yourself to the fact that you will never know the answers in this life and just get on with living. The answers will catch up to you later.

Sean

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But, we want to be free!!

by ThiChi in

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man: we want to be free, and want no god telling us how to live.. god: fine, do your own thing.. after numerous murders, genocide, and other evils, we hear this:.

man: i can't believe in a god who would allow all this evil to happen .

and not intervene to prevent it.. god: why not?

SEAKEN2001

ThiChi,

I haven't seeen you make any point. You're making a fuss but you aren't making any sense. Perhaps you're here just to stir up trouble? Won't get far. We'll just ignore you. So, start making some sense. If you want an argument you'll need better presentation and less insults.

BTW, your summation of the Judea/Christian explanation of God's dealing with man is far short of "truth", and it's amazing to me that Adonai thinks there is a relation.

You are just presenting your idea of what happened to eventuate in this state we find ourselves, an idea that many of us have long rejected having realized we were fooled by the smooth talk of men puffed up with pride. After reviewing and studying the matter, many here, myself included, do not see any proof that God has ever had any conversations with men or women. If a god were inclined to communicate with humans now would be a good time. But it is silent. All we have are a few deluded prophets who presume to speak in the absence of a divine presense. None of these self-appointed spokesmen have got it right yet.

If there is anything close to proving God's influence in human life it is the love and goodwill that people show to one another voluntarily, on their own, whether the believe in a god or not. Your presumption that our human race is mired in nothing but poop is nonsense. There is good right along with the bad. It's always been that way. I think it will always be that way. There is a scripture that says there is nothing new under the sun. That same part of the Bible seems to indicate that it is futile to try and qualify our lives by any standard other than to see good in ones life. If you are able to achieve that in your life than you will be truly free. Some eastern religions have a similar idea. The fundy idea that we can't be free without God's rules is founded on nothing.

Sean