Posts by SEAKEN2001

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What's Your Pet Peeve?

by DB in

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of course, the wts is pretty much a pet peeve of almost everyone here.

but besides that, what's your pet peeve?

i'm in a playful mood today, so here's mine, with some tongue-in-cheekiness, of course: .

SEAKEN2001

Having a good laugh here. I can relate to alot of these. I'll add:

1. Movies on Television. I hate it when TV cuts off the end and starts running advertisements and squishes the credits off to one side. Especially when it was a moving story. It totaly ruins the mood.

2. Radio programming. Same stuff on every station, can't find the music I want when I want, nothing new unless it it follows the rules. Cookie cutter programming.

3. Clerks who don't listen. Ask for cream cheese and get butter. Ask for butter and get plain. Ask for no sugar and get both cream and suger.

4. Tailgaters. I'm traveling 10 to 15 miles per hour over the limit and they still get right up on my rear bumper as if to say I'm not going fast enough.

5. Slow drivers who go 45 in a 55, or 50 in a 65, and pile up cars as far back as the eyes can see because there's nowhere to safely pass.

6. People who assume that apostates hate Jehovah. How can I hate what does not exist?

Sean

Oh, and moving graphics in the field of text! I hate that!

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Animation graphics in the text field

by SEAKEN2001 in

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i know some of you are not going to appreciate this and it probably won't start a movement that will affect a change but it will make me feel better to rant.. i find it very distracting to have moving graphics in the field of text, where we are supposed to be reading.

perhaps many of you are used to listening to the radio while studying for a test, as i have often seen depicted on tv, presumably in humor.

it may be humorous but it is not conducive to actual retention and meaningful meditation.

SEAKEN2001

Haha, yeah, this did turn out to be a very funny topic! But I admit I was just pretty damn irritated at all the moving graphics while I was trying to read some serious stuff.

BTW, while I'm complaining [g], it is also irritating to have to scroll back and forth to read. I will usually skip the topic if I am forced to scroll to the right. Plmkrzy, your horrizontal line causes this, as do large photos posted into the thread by other folks. I realize this is not a techy site and I have no intenton of trying to fit everyone in to my perfect little window. I know why these things are happening because I am a computer techy. All I am doing is ranting. Please don't take any of this personally.

(BTW, Simon, if you are reading, I can make some suggestions about how to aleviate these screen problems that are caused by improper use of HTML and poor understanding of pixels. Since you allow HTML in the text posting area you have lost control of formatting. I suggest that you explore creating a few different skins, and one at least that will display all graphics elements as place holders. This would allow for those who prefer to skip the cute little pictures or have slower connections).

Hey, Rocky and Mrs. Rocky, my computer's just fine, and I have a high speed connection. I can watch movies on my PC if I want to. But I much prefer the text mode when doing forum discussions. I'm a hold over from the old days when text is all we had. Oh, and LB's animations were great!

Valis, no, sorry to say that I was usually the one giving the drubbing. I didn't treat her very nicely, along with here brothers, when we were kids. We thought she was a pest. She's just getting back at me!

Princess, I do love you and appreciate your jabbing me here. I'm glad it turned out to be a light-hearted thread since I was pretty pissed when I wrote it. Ha!

Sean

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Will the Wt Split?

by Satanus in

based on the pressure that is building both within the rank and file and in the top management, i was wondering about the possibility of the wt fracturing into 2 groups: fundamentalist and liberal.

the gb has recently taken a back seat to 3 new corporations.

these were added to the multitude of corps they already have.

SEAKEN2001

Amnesian,

I know, it sounds rediculous. It is not too different from any other movement where the ideals of the group actually become the focal point of activity in a kind of mental sickness participated in by all supporters. I maintain that, while it is possible that a few know it is all a scam, by far the majority of those guys running the show are under the delusion that they are actually serving God and being used by him. There may be some in organized crime who are under a simliar delusion but I would suggest that most wise guys are fully aware they are simply running a scam and have no delusions about some higher power pulling the strings.

The WTS will perpetuate itself in spite of itself. If there are splinter groups in the future, as there have been in the past, it will be because some believe that God has withdrawn support and is now leading them in a new direction. This stuff has been going on for centuries and the mental sickness is passed on from generation to generation. The Roman Catholic Church has been running this scam for quite some time, as have several splinter groups coming from that organization. I don't believe there is a conscious decision by a group of leaders to concieve and then orchestrate an elaborate scam. These people are deluded and think they are acting for God. A scam it is but in the eyes of the participants it is the truth and their connection to God.

In the case of the Mob, they are simply capitalizing on man's credulity and know full well it is all an elaborate scheme and work hard to keep it going for their benefit. Whatever delusions they have about God is not responsible for their actions. In the case of the JW/WTS, they have become what they are because they are deluded and led along by their common belief that they are God's people. They act wickedly and in many ways are similar to the Mob in how they operate but their comprehension of reality is not the same.

I respect your thoughts on this Amnesian, and you could be right. I would like to believe that these guys are fully aware of what they are doing and have no delusion about any direction from some silly god. That they are sitting around laughing with one another over the very successful scam they are running and how stupid people are to swallow this stuff. That would make it easier to attack them and open up chinks in their armor. Unfortunately, I do not think that this is the case. Rather, I think that these men are mentally sick and being carried along by thier own delusions. They really beleive this stuff is the truth and that armageddon is near, and all the other rediculous "hope" they perpetuate. Maybe I am wrong and you will prove to be right on this point. I am open to anything at this point in my life and only hope that I can get my family out before it is too late for them.

Sean

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Will the Wt Split?

by Satanus in

based on the pressure that is building both within the rank and file and in the top management, i was wondering about the possibility of the wt fracturing into 2 groups: fundamentalist and liberal.

the gb has recently taken a back seat to 3 new corporations.

these were added to the multitude of corps they already have.

SEAKEN2001

I agree with Angry and JT. I also know some of those guys on that list and they are lifers. Not one of them would even consider splitting from the GB. Don't forget, this is a mind control cult. You have come out and are no longer under control. But these guys are pure and true believers. They truly believe that God uses the GB to direct the whole thing. They will not go against their God, like Korah. In their mind it is unthinkable that Jehovah is not in control of all these corporations and is using them as a united organization to get his work done.

If there is ever a reform group it will come from outside the Bethel/Corp good-old-boy network. And the likelyhood of that is not very good.

Sean

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Animation graphics in the text field

by SEAKEN2001 in

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i know some of you are not going to appreciate this and it probably won't start a movement that will affect a change but it will make me feel better to rant.. i find it very distracting to have moving graphics in the field of text, where we are supposed to be reading.

perhaps many of you are used to listening to the radio while studying for a test, as i have often seen depicted on tv, presumably in humor.

it may be humorous but it is not conducive to actual retention and meaningful meditation.

SEAKEN2001

BUAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, funny, Princess, very funny! Grrr!

Hey Dutchie,

thanks, but I had nothing to do with accomplishment of having such nice cousins. All the credit goes to my Great Grandpa and Grandma.

BTW, I'll go by Seak, or Sean or Seaken, but Speak is a bit much. I've been here over two years and still only have just over 200 posts. I really don't speak that much, ha!

Syn, see what you get for being a smartass!? Ha ha!

Sean

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This Board and JWs

by comforter in

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at one time, this board seemed to be fair.

but i no longer think that it is, to jws, at least.

ex-jws here can cuss, insult, say fu to everybody they don't like, and call jws pedophiles.

SEAKEN2001

Bang,

what the hell are you talking about? (Note: swear word thrown in for comforter) I can't follow anything you're saying. Are you trying to start an intelligent debate with comforter? I'm sorry, I'm lost.

Comforter,

what is fair? Is it fair that the JW's don't want to discuss questions about their own history or thier own acts of duplicity at the KH? Si it fair that they expell everyone who wants to discuss thier erros in doctrine honestly and openly? What would be fair to you?

What does FU mean? What are you trying to say? Why be so cryptic? Say what you mean.

JW's can do everything anyone else can do here. The only difference is that JW's feel guilty about even being here and rarely show any indication that they are thinking for themselves. Many of the XJW's here have given up trying to prove they are superior to other human beings (there are exceptions, of course) but JW's consistantly take the position that they are special and priveldged human beings. You just want to feel persecuted so you choose to think that you are restricted from doing and saying things that are allowed to others. Come on, why don't you try for yourself? Go ahead and cuss, insult, post fuff. You're no different from anyone else, are you?

Sean

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NEW JW POLICY POSTED!!!

by amac in

i don't know if anyone has posted on this already but there is a new press release at http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm that defines the current jw policy and i believe it has taken a step in the right direction!.

although they have not literally changed it to require reporting to the authorities in all states, they have finally put into print the following: "additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.".

i am glad to see, straight from the wt, acknowledgement that the adults involved have every right to go to the police.

SEAKEN2001

Amac,

I think in time you will see that what you are being told here by many longtime JW's is the reality of the situation. The WTS has been spinning this yarn for many years now and they are among the best at PR and misleading statements. They have invented a language within a language. When the outside world reads this so-called "policy" they get the idea that the WTS is going in the right direction, as you suggest. But when the JW heirarchy reads it they assign a meaning to the words that is not normally understood by those not in the cult.

Maybe there will be some JW's who will use this "policy" to react on their own apart from the elders. But they will have to face up to the consequences. Everytime the WTS bends under the pressure of it's rank and file or public opinion people get hurt. How many people had to be DF'd before it was common to allow JW's to decide for themselves whether or not to accept an organ transplant? How many people had to be DF'd before the WTS decided to back off from interfering in what goes on the bedrooms of their rank & file?

This written "policy" does not have any force. The only thing that will have force is how the R&F react over time. If the WTS sees the people walking out too fast they may back off and let people do as they please. But they won't do this on their own. If left up to them they will continue to push people around with a heavy hand. How many people will have to be DF'd before the WTS decides to stop interfering with how victims react to this crime? I'm afraid it will be many. It will be business as usual until they are forced to back off. It will be a while and this "policy" will not suddenly change how the R&F people are treated.

Is this PR statement going inthe right direction? It is too early to tell. Are the written statements about blood transfusions and voting going in the right direction? How many Witnesses feel free to make the choice to accept a transfusion acording to their own conscience? How many Witnesses freely attend on Voting day? The written statements on these subjects in the last few years has not changed the actual practice of the JW's. Why? Will it ever change? Maybe. Will these changes be attributed to the written statements which were used for good PR? I don't think so. It will all come down to what they need for survival. The only good that can come from these statements is that people may be empowered to walk away, or even face DA/DF. But for those who stay it will continue to be the controlling cult it has been and people will continue to be abused.

Amac, I don't think you were ever a JW. Am I wrong? If not, I understand why you view things as you do. Unfortunately, the WTS and JW's do not fit normal parameters for societal thought and only those who have been in that cult as true believers can truly understand their language. Believe me, they have no intention of making it any easier for victims to speak out and get help. Whatever they are doing is to cover their own butts.

Sean

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Jws @ my door.unbelievable.....

by target in

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two jws, man and wife, were just at my door.

she started presenting the watchtower and i just saw red!

i can't believe the anger that welled up in me.

SEAKEN2001

Syn, Gopher,

interesting. I have the Webster's NewWorld Dictionary of the American Language from 1982. This word is not in it. Is this a new word? borrowed from science? derivation?

I see your usage, syn. Thanks for the clarification.

Sean

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JW BLOWS WHISTLE!

by bay64me in

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thought i'd share some of my experiences with you all!.

sister x, was somewhat of an enigma in the congregation, certainly a 'one-off'!

allegedly she suffered from an 'illness' that incapacitated her at strangely convenient times!

SEAKEN2001

Olivia,

I was thinking also that many do legitamtely have reason to use social services available to them. However, having been here awhile I realized that by commenting on the free-loaders the folks here are not attempting to belittle honest people. The discussion was focused on the free-loaders and how one Mr X. was not afraid to blow the whistle. No one here is trying to be "pios" by relating such experiences or poking some fun at those who do this type of thing.

I think there is a saying that says something like "the only successful substitute for brains is silence". Perhaps you could just sit back awhile in silence before opening your mouth in criticism. If you are going to be critical you will want to have thought things over clearly first. Most here do not react too badly to criticsim but don't expect that it will go unchallenged. Just a 'heads up' for you.

Sean

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Animation graphics in the text field

by SEAKEN2001 in

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i know some of you are not going to appreciate this and it probably won't start a movement that will affect a change but it will make me feel better to rant.. i find it very distracting to have moving graphics in the field of text, where we are supposed to be reading.

perhaps many of you are used to listening to the radio while studying for a test, as i have often seen depicted on tv, presumably in humor.

it may be humorous but it is not conducive to actual retention and meaningful meditation.

SEAKEN2001

Hi Dutchie,

Of course, it is not a matter of liking or not liking the actual graphics. There is a place for moving pictures. But if you want to be read, that is if you really want people to read and listen to what you are saying, the moving pictures just get in the way. When we read we make our own pictures, in our own mind. When there is a pin-wheel spinning or some big eyes blinking on an off it distracts the mind from playing it's own movies. It just seems to me that there is a serious glut of readers today and pretty little pictures are more important than the words. When I say stuff like this I sometimes get rebuffed as a snob and high-sounding intellectual. In fact, I do love pictures, and moving pictures. But they are out of place on the printed page when the words should take the leading role. In some instances, such as with playful banter and surface level curiosities it can be just fine sorting through the clutter and the pics can even serve to add to this type of exchange. But when the words are meant to be assimalated and comprehended as food for thought these types of moving images are out place and only a distraction.

All of us seem to learn to tune certain things out. Some people seem to have no problem reading a novel and watching TV at the same time, or studying for an exam and listening to music. But I rarely find it condusive to deep thinking to have too many distractions. Especially when I am writing do I find it necessary to find a quiet place with few distractions. I know I am not the only one who feels this way and I know that there are many others who really don't care about what I call a distraction and have no problem with what I find irritating. I really just wanted to rant a bit and maybe get some sympathy. [g]

I now live in a world where the written word is old-fashioned and plain. I am completely happy with all text web-sites when my purpose is reading. But by far the majority of people making web-sites think that plain text is bad and would not be caught dead putting their name on it. At least there are still a few publishers who still use old-fashioned plain text, just good old words, to paint their pictures. I fear that someday no outlets will accept plain-text books since they won't be considered marketable. I hope that day never comes.

Sean, ranting a little more.