Matt,
As you say, Blairs credibility is shot. He came out with the same line that he repeated before the war...that they DO/DID have evidence and that they will release it...soon.
How many times did he say this before the war?
now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!
perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.
now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.
Matt,
As you say, Blairs credibility is shot. He came out with the same line that he repeated before the war...that they DO/DID have evidence and that they will release it...soon.
How many times did he say this before the war?
now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!
perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.
now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.
. A History Of Lies: WMD, Who Said What and When ? 05/30/03 Intelligence leaves no doubt that Iraq continues to possess and conceal lethal weapons George Bush, U S President 18 March, 2003 Saddam's removal is necessary to eradicate the threat from his weapons of mass destruction Jack Straw, Foreign Secretary 2 April, 2003 Before people crow about the absence of weapons of mass destruction, I suggest they wait a bit Tony Blair 28 April, 2003 We are asked to accept Saddam decided to destroy those weapons. I say that such a claim is palpably absurd Tony Blair, Prime Minister 18 March, 2003 It is possible Iraqi leaders decided they would destroy them prior to the conflict Donald Rumsfeld, US Defense Secretary 28 May, 2003 Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. Dick Cheney |
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George "aWol" Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002
If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002
We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003
Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
George "aWol" Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003
We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003
We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George "aWol" Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003
So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003
Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George "aWol" Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003
Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003
There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003
I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003
One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003
We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003
Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003
I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003
We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
George "aWol" Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003
There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003
We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George "aWol" Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003
I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003
We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003
I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.
George "aWol" Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003
U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003
I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003
Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003
Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003
They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003
For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003
It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.
Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
hi i'm marilyn!.
i just found this board today via a link from randy at free minds.
yea!
Welcome to JWD!
Hope you find a few answers and a few friends on this forum...as long as you don't read my posts!
regards
mark
june 01, 2003 .
churches will get right to sack gays.
jeff gilbert.
ISP,
Another thread about Gays....is there something you want to tell us?......lol
the watchtower constantly threatens us that we must be on guard or else.
are you afraid that you will die at armageddon??
?
WHAT?
You DON'T believe in Aliens...........
what a night !.
we were very kindly treated to a night out at an open-air concert last night by one of the posters who was up in the area (kenuk and his wife).
amazingly, for manchester, it was a warm and sunny evening and perfect weather to be sat at old trafford cc.. wow !
I can't believe I missed it!
We were listening to Springsteen in my car on the way home from the meal the other night...I would have loved to have seen him again.
Oh well...maybe next time.
the watchtower constantly threatens us that we must be on guard or else.
are you afraid that you will die at armageddon??
?
Don't believe in Armaggeddon...why should I?
Its based on a scripture from a book that is so full of holes and inconsistancies that I find it hard to believe any of it.
Armaggeddon has been fortold for centuries...it seems that the 'last days' are lasting a hell of a long time.!
I've got more important things to worry about than worry about a fable coming true.
nice to see the us government is setting standards for the rest of the world to follow again.... (links from secular blasphemy).
http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6494000%255e401,00.html.
http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,963108,00.html.
Hey ThiChi,
Whats happened...you've developed a sense of humour!
It suits you mate.
mark
nice to see the us government is setting standards for the rest of the world to follow again.... (links from secular blasphemy).
http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6494000%255e401,00.html.
http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,963108,00.html.
Unfortunately your wrong about the British suppoting you on Guantanamo Bay.
During the War, Blair raised the point in the house of commons that he would strongly condemn it if the rumours were true that Iraqi prisoners were taken to Camp X Ray.
They said that such a threat would deter Iraqi's from surrendering if this was used to threaten them with.
I think your on your own on this one.
nice to see the us government is setting standards for the rest of the world to follow again.... (links from secular blasphemy).
http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6494000%255e401,00.html.
http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,963108,00.html.
Yeru,
Can you please explain why International law doesn't cover this situation?
When the British soldiers arrested Terrorists in Northern Ireland they treated them as criminals to avoid the 'prisoner of war' title because the British government refused to accept that the IRA were fighting a war against the British, so they were called Terrorists.
They were still provided with legal representation and were jailed for their crimes.
What do you think would have happened if the British had arrested these terrorists and imprisoned them without trial or legal representation?
The world, especially the Irish-American supporters of the IRA would have been up in arms and Britain would not have been allowed to do it.
So doesn't international law cover these 'terrorists' ?
They are either :
1. Terrorists...so they should be tried for there crimes under international law.
2. Prisoners of war....geneva convention should apply
3. Criminals...so they should be tried for there crimes.
There is no such term as 'Battlefield Detainees' or 'Enemy Combatants' these are just other terms to describe Prisoners of War.