Posts by schnell

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No updated Watctower's articles on Evolution

by opusdei1972 in

as far as i know, the "creation" book is out of print ?, am i right?.

well, i was searching for new watchtower articles trying to debunk, for instance, human evolution.

so, i did my homework, for the first time, so as to read past and updated papers and books on human evolution.

schnell

The WTBTS is in total defense/survival mode. They are doubling down on all their dogma, espescially loyalty to the "Faithful Slave" and "unity of doctrine." Yes, the current WT study edition actually says "unity of doctrine."
They aren't writing another book where they can misquote authors, they have other issues right now.

My wife cited the Institute for Creation Research recently when defending the flood. She didn't know what the ICR is, or AIG for that matter. But there ya go, the creationist pseudoscience was available online for reference and she linked me to it. I am sure other witnesses have, too, and I saw at least one Kent Hovind video passed around Facebook.

What I'm saying is, if they don't get on that, young earth creationists will happily fill the void and most JWs would not know what they were getting into.

But, maybe the GB is fine with that. *shrug* They've already referenced Michael Behe and the E. Coli motor in a magazine.

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No updated Watctower's articles on Evolution

by opusdei1972 in

as far as i know, the "creation" book is out of print ?, am i right?.

well, i was searching for new watchtower articles trying to debunk, for instance, human evolution.

so, i did my homework, for the first time, so as to read past and updated papers and books on human evolution.

schnell

@neverendingjourney, here's a fun drinking game: Take a shot every time the book provides the definition of Evolution. Don't worry, you'll be fine. Another game though: Take a shot every time the book conflates natural selection with chance. Have fun!

@Crazyguy, radiometric dating deniers do so because they don't care, and because they implicitly want to believe no matter what and satisfy Pascal's Wager. (Insert problems with Pascal's Wager, such as polytheism and divine omniscience.) You say any kind of dating is better, and they can just listen to the oceanic sound of their fingers in their ears. But once the walls come down, they can go back to that evidence and realize, "OH SHIT!"

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No updated Watctower's articles on Evolution

by opusdei1972 in

as far as i know, the "creation" book is out of print ?, am i right?.

well, i was searching for new watchtower articles trying to debunk, for instance, human evolution.

so, i did my homework, for the first time, so as to read past and updated papers and books on human evolution.

schnell

Mitochondrial Eve dates back 200,000 years, and ****may**** have been contemporary but probably predated Y-chromosomal Adam. Homo sapiens sapiens underwent a cognitive revolution 80,0000 years ago and developed the ability to make stuff up. The Lion Man statue then dates back 30,000 to a cave in Germany. We've been around a while.

I wonder. How do we support a Babylonian origin for all false religion when this little lion man statue predates even the oldest gods known to man?

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No updated Watctower's articles on Evolution

by opusdei1972 in

as far as i know, the "creation" book is out of print ?, am i right?.

well, i was searching for new watchtower articles trying to debunk, for instance, human evolution.

so, i did my homework, for the first time, so as to read past and updated papers and books on human evolution.

schnell

I was "late to the game" finding this, but man is the Harry Peloyan interview interesting.

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Real Estate Business?

by no-zombie in

i was going over some of the older posts of others and without starting some kind of flame war, i got no idea why people are saying that the society is some kind of real estate business.

of course its making millions of dollars in its real estate sales but this a one time event.

its down sizing by selling the furniture.

schnell

Hi, no-zombie. I have a question for you. Let's put the issue aside and ask: What business is McDonald's in?

http://www.quoteswise.com/ray-kroc-quotes.html

Harry devised a formula for the monthly payments being made by our operators that paid our own mortgage and other expenses plus a profit. We received this set monthly minimum or a percentage of the volume the operator did, whichever was greater. (Ray Kroc)

It was then that Harry’s view of the corporation as just a real estate business, rather than a hamburger business, began to crystallize. (Ray Kroc)

[Getting involved in real estate] This was the beginning of real income for McDonald’s. (Ray Kroc)

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Old article worth a read

by carla in

here is a link to an older article about jw's & mind control.

it appears to be from the time period when jw's were about 5 million and still had that extra meeting during the week.

i have no idea about the website in general, only found the article doing some research.

schnell

Illusion of choice.

Ya know, there have been a number of video games lately which, in trying to be immersive and cinematic, present the player with a choice between two or three options, but the choice doesn't matter. It really amounts to continuing an on-going cinematic cutscene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG0zJ89Fv8c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnlDwEZkidI

This is the illusion of choice. When your choice doesn't really matter, are you really in control? Or have the programmers and designers set out a scripted path for you to follow?

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So, Anglo-American-Russian world power?

by schnell in

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wasn't russia strongly hinted recently to be the king of the north once again, as it tried to shut down the wtbts there?

and isn't the king of the north said to lead a coalition of nations against babylon the great?

so why is the king of the north allying itself with one half of the king of the south, the anglo-american world power?

schnell

In WW2, the King of the North was said to be the Third Reich, and after that it was the Soviet bloc. That king disappeared when the USSR collapsed. When Russia tried to shutter the WTBTS, it was convenient to bring up the King of the North again.

Thankfully, Watchtower's interpretation is not the only one. William J. Schnell compared the statue in Daniel to the Watchtower itself. And Babylon the Great, too.

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So, Anglo-American-Russian world power?

by schnell in

jw
friends

wasn't russia strongly hinted recently to be the king of the north once again, as it tried to shut down the wtbts there?

and isn't the king of the north said to lead a coalition of nations against babylon the great?

so why is the king of the north allying itself with one half of the king of the south, the anglo-american world power?

schnell

Wasn't Russia strongly hinted recently to be the King of the North once again, as it tried to shut down the WTBTS there? And isn't the King of the North said to lead a coalition of nations against Babylon the Great? So why is the King of the North allying itself with one half of the King of the South, the Anglo-American world power? And why isn't Russia, a largely Orthodox country allied with vastly Muslim Syria, leading anybody against "the world empire of false religion"?

It's nonsense. Of course. It's all nonsense, and the WTBTS's false prophecy, their narrative, is falling apart.

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Girls are unpredictable, materialist, and use us, men, as a toy - Part 2

by will-be-apostate in

well here am i, a couple of years passed since my original post (link here), somewhat less mysoginistic, more open to relationships, heartbroken again.

this is an official "fuck my life" thread.. being chased by the elders makes one arrive at the conclusion that there is nothing better than not being chased by the elders.

i had a pre-jc meeting a week ago.

schnell

Wow. This forum got really sickening. There used to be supportive people on here. I wouldnt make up this lol. I am confused by what happened. Thats why i told you guys in detail. And please dont mix sarcasm with being egotistic.

Was there a time in this site's past when a young guy could slander all women with his one night stand story? I really think the support comes for those fading, surviving, and exiting this cult, in areas relevant to that.

None of us here are entitled to positive love-bombing in every thread if we're just going to say something stupid. Actually, I don't want it. If I say something stupid, you can call me on it. If you say something stupid, I can call you on it. Because we're adults, and there's a thing called legitimate criticism. Because that's how we change and mature as people.

Also, I don't know you. I have only what you say to go on. You could be a young guy. Sure. That face in your avatar could be you. This story could be true with some exaggeration, like any Big Fish story. Sure, I get that. I'm still calling out the misogynistic slander, and I'm not a fan of the self-flattery either. You can be proud of your accomplishments without all that bullshit. I do wonder, if you wrote about this same event in 10 years, how would it differ? How much wider a perspective would you then have?

You're 22 years old? Cool. You fall in love too easy? That's common, and that was me, too. This is why I say you should move on. I am not offering sympathy, I am sincerely advising you to grow up.

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Did God place the Sun and Moon in the earth's atmosphere?

by evilApostate in

and god said, “let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” so god made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it.

god called the vault “sky.” and there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.and god said, “let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” and it was so.

god called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” and god saw that it was good.. above we see that there were waters below and waters above.

schnell

Most believers don't understand that about 6th century Babylonian cosmology. They mistakenly read modern science into Genesis, Job (older than 6th century, I know) and Isaiah, even where it doesn't make much sense. The result is an apologetic mess.