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  If the GB changed a major teaching, would all witnesses just go along with it?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so if the gb changed its "bible based beliefs" on some teaching, would witnesses all of a sudden change their individual beliefs too?.

  witnesses like to claim that "their bible trained hearts and minds" make them believe as they do, but we know that the reality is that all witnesses hold their "deep seated beliefs" according to what they have been told to believe.. so what would cause the average witness to question those that dictate their "personal convictions"??.

  thoughts?.

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  Maybe they'll change their rule on 2 witnesses.

  That'll be a loving provision.
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  If the GB changed a major teaching, would all witnesses just go along with it?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so if the gb changed its "bible based beliefs" on some teaching, would witnesses all of a sudden change their individual beliefs too?.

  witnesses like to claim that "their bible trained hearts and minds" make them believe as they do, but we know that the reality is that all witnesses hold their "deep seated beliefs" according to what they have been told to believe.. so what would cause the average witness to question those that dictate their "personal convictions"??.

  thoughts?.

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  Yes.
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  Circuit Overseers are putting their resume on LinkedIn? This is new?!

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am a bit surprised to see what appears to be current and in-good-standing circuit overseers putting their resumes on linkedin.

  www.linkedin.com/title/circuit-overseer.

  do you know any of these, and are they legit?.

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  I've seen a few elders on LinkedIn who list their occupation as "Minister at WTBTS".

  Yeah, they love their titles.
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  What Comes After the Watchtower Collapse?

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was going to put this in my thread about pyramid schemes, but i thought it's discreet enough to warrant its own.

  1) there are many faithful jws.

  2) there are many men and women who could take control and fill the void if the watchtower collapses.

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  That just discourages fading and encourages outright activism to me.
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  What Comes After the Watchtower Collapse?

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was going to put this in my thread about pyramid schemes, but i thought it's discreet enough to warrant its own.

  1) there are many faithful jws.

  2) there are many men and women who could take control and fill the void if the watchtower collapses.

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  I was going to put this in my thread about pyramid schemes, but I thought it's discreet enough to warrant its own.

  1) There are many faithful JWs.

  2) There are many men and women who could take control and fill the void if the Watchtower collapses.

  So what happens next? As "the money going out far outweighs the money coming in", will the organization perhaps split? Will it spin off?

  Back to the pyramid schemes, that very thing happened when one prominent company was shut down and several new ones sprang up in its place.

  
  
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  Pyramid Schemes

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  several years ago, i was introduced to a "wonderful" company called fortune hi tech marketing by a brother and his wife.

  they had been introduced by a former sheriff who claims he had researched the company and found no leins or judgments, and that former sheriff had been brought in by a pastor.

  you can read what happened with fhtm on wikipedia if you so desire.. this whole new idea of multilevel marketing had my brain reeling, though, and soon enough, i actually signed up with none other than prepaid legal.

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  Several years ago, I was introduced to a "wonderful" company called Fortune Hi Tech Marketing by a brother and his wife. They had been introduced by a former sheriff who claims he had researched the company and found no leins or judgments, and that former sheriff had been brought in by a pastor.

  You can read what happened with FHTM on Wikipedia if you so desire.

  This whole new idea of multilevel marketing had my brain reeling, though, and soon enough, I actually signed up with none other than Prepaid Legal. Interestingly, I attended a PPL seminar in San Diego and found it to be... very, very, very similar to a JW assembly.

  Huh.

  I left it all and wanted nothing to do with pyramid schemes ever again. But I've noticed something about numerous JWs. Without higher education or good jobs, a minority of them get involved in such schemes.

  One sister in northern California was actually convicted for running a Ponzi scheme. That very sister had the nerve to tell me on Facebook how the world is getting worse, "like Sodom and Gomorrah."

  When I've tried to tell these people that pyramid schemes are not economically feasible, and that multilevel marketing IS pyramid scheming, and that it WILL fail, they are so stuck on the community and the money that they won't listen. It's as fascinating as it is frustrating.

  I also see that they too see the similarities between being a JW and being a distributor for such a company.

  Somewhat rarely, the brothers will make a point in a talk at a convention that pyramid schemes should be avoided. It does happen. But not enough, and I don't have to wonder why.

  Has anyone else observed this? Any similar experience?
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  An old Kingdom hall now a church?

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  have any of you heard of anything like this.

  i remember an ex jw from ohio taking video of a former kingdom hall that is now a church.

  apparently the society sold it to the church.

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  There is one near me as well, a church converted from a KH. What's more, some brothers who owned the property the current hall is sitting on apparently made a bunch of money when it was built. I don't know the deets, but others do and they're somehow okay with it.

  Once, I was passing through Ohio when I stopped by a KH outside of Youngstown. Two elders incidentally stopped by as well, and in the conversation they explained that this hall was being sold to a church.

  There is no end to how ridiculous this organization gets.
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  Was it Adam who altered his own DNA so that sicknesses & consequent death would be passed on to his offspring?

  by deegee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the blame for mankind's sicknesses/diseases and consequent death has been placed squarely on the shoulders of adam:.

  romans 5:12, 17 - 19:"therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—for if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man.......consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people........for just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners........".

  1 corinthians 15: 21, 22:"for since death came through a man........... for as in adam all die.......".

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  Interestingly, this discussion makes me think of a recent point I made with a faithful brother as we discussed science: "Have you heard of this thing called CRISPER? Scientists now can change an organism's DNA that it passes on, so they can make a change in all of its offspring. Isn't that neat? Just think, if we have that power, what could Jehovah do?"
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  The Great October 2016 Invite to the Sunday Meeting campaign ...

  by freddo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well how's it going round your way?

  massive increase of interested ones?

  did you even know it was supposed to be happening?

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  I might ask my wife if she knew about a campaign this month or not. I certainly didn't have a clue, and she didn't go out at all either.
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  New movie by Mel Gibson 'Hacksaw ridge'

  by barry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just went to a pre screening of this movie about an adventist guy who didn't want to kill but joined the army as a medic on the front line.

  desmond doss saved 75 men in one operation singlehanded on the island of okinawa where desmond worked lowering men down a 400ft cliff to safety.. i thought this may be of interest to jws because of the pacifist stand they also have.. the movie comes out on the 4 th november..

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  Given the logistics of WW2, I'd be nervous or actually angry to have a guy like Doss in my platoon. Now, today, things are different and there are far more jobs to do in the military, but you still have to go through basic training.

  If you are on the ground in Iraq and you don't believe in killing, and you would absolutely not kill a crazy ISIS cultist if he had us pinned down just to show that you believe rightly in God and he doesn't, then I wouldn't want you near me. No, you shouldn't like killing. But if that's your stance, you have other jobs available to you, including not being in the military at all as long as there's no draft or military requirement.

  That's why this is infuriating.