Yep, I've read Pink Truth. Great site! It also points out that some of the "top earners" with rings and awards and speeches and stuff aren't making much more than $20k a year after taxes and expenses. In other words, they could just go get a job and be better off.
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Pyramid Schemes
by schnell inseveral years ago, i was introduced to a "wonderful" company called fortune hi tech marketing by a brother and his wife.
they had been introduced by a former sheriff who claims he had researched the company and found no leins or judgments, and that former sheriff had been brought in by a pastor.
you can read what happened with fhtm on wikipedia if you so desire.. this whole new idea of multilevel marketing had my brain reeling, though, and soon enough, i actually signed up with none other than prepaid legal.
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If the GB changed a major teaching, would all witnesses just go along with it?
by stuckinarut2 inso if the gb changed its "bible based beliefs" on some teaching, would witnesses all of a sudden change their individual beliefs too?.
witnesses like to claim that "their bible trained hearts and minds" make them believe as they do, but we know that the reality is that all witnesses hold their "deep seated beliefs" according to what they have been told to believe.. so what would cause the average witness to question those that dictate their "personal convictions"??.
thoughts?.
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I went to the last assembly's morning session with my wife, and an awesome beard that I was quite surprised I could grow. This is after the Watchtower announced a change about beards I guess. I didn't read it, just heard about it.
(I did, however, read in 30 Years A Watchtower Slave about Rutherford and the bearded coordinator of Bethel in Germany. That's why I grew the beard.)
I got looks. People didn't know what to do. One of my great friends had to break the ice and come over to me before anyone else in his circle would do so.
I left at the half. If you love hearing some dork at the podium talk about wrestling with demons, but won't talk to a friend because he has a beard now, you're acting nuts. Although I mostly left because nothing said in the entire program made sense.
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If the GB changed a major teaching, would all witnesses just go along with it?
by stuckinarut2 inso if the gb changed its "bible based beliefs" on some teaching, would witnesses all of a sudden change their individual beliefs too?.
witnesses like to claim that "their bible trained hearts and minds" make them believe as they do, but we know that the reality is that all witnesses hold their "deep seated beliefs" according to what they have been told to believe.. so what would cause the average witness to question those that dictate their "personal convictions"??.
thoughts?.
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Maybe they'll change their rule on 2 witnesses.
That'll be a loving provision.
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If the GB changed a major teaching, would all witnesses just go along with it?
by stuckinarut2 inso if the gb changed its "bible based beliefs" on some teaching, would witnesses all of a sudden change their individual beliefs too?.
witnesses like to claim that "their bible trained hearts and minds" make them believe as they do, but we know that the reality is that all witnesses hold their "deep seated beliefs" according to what they have been told to believe.. so what would cause the average witness to question those that dictate their "personal convictions"??.
thoughts?.
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Circuit Overseers are putting their resume on LinkedIn? This is new?!
by dropoffyourkeylee ini am a bit surprised to see what appears to be current and in-good-standing circuit overseers putting their resumes on linkedin.
www.linkedin.com/title/circuit-overseer.
do you know any of these, and are they legit?.
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I've seen a few elders on LinkedIn who list their occupation as "Minister at WTBTS".
Yeah, they love their titles.
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What Comes After the Watchtower Collapse?
by schnell ini was going to put this in my thread about pyramid schemes, but i thought it's discreet enough to warrant its own.
1) there are many faithful jws.
2) there are many men and women who could take control and fill the void if the watchtower collapses.
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What Comes After the Watchtower Collapse?
by schnell ini was going to put this in my thread about pyramid schemes, but i thought it's discreet enough to warrant its own.
1) there are many faithful jws.
2) there are many men and women who could take control and fill the void if the watchtower collapses.
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I was going to put this in my thread about pyramid schemes, but I thought it's discreet enough to warrant its own.
1) There are many faithful JWs.
2) There are many men and women who could take control and fill the void if the Watchtower collapses.
So what happens next? As "the money going out far outweighs the money coming in", will the organization perhaps split? Will it spin off?
Back to the pyramid schemes, that very thing happened when one prominent company was shut down and several new ones sprang up in its place.
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Pyramid Schemes
by schnell inseveral years ago, i was introduced to a "wonderful" company called fortune hi tech marketing by a brother and his wife.
they had been introduced by a former sheriff who claims he had researched the company and found no leins or judgments, and that former sheriff had been brought in by a pastor.
you can read what happened with fhtm on wikipedia if you so desire.. this whole new idea of multilevel marketing had my brain reeling, though, and soon enough, i actually signed up with none other than prepaid legal.
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Several years ago, I was introduced to a "wonderful" company called Fortune Hi Tech Marketing by a brother and his wife. They had been introduced by a former sheriff who claims he had researched the company and found no leins or judgments, and that former sheriff had been brought in by a pastor.
You can read what happened with FHTM on Wikipedia if you so desire.
This whole new idea of multilevel marketing had my brain reeling, though, and soon enough, I actually signed up with none other than Prepaid Legal. Interestingly, I attended a PPL seminar in San Diego and found it to be... very, very, very similar to a JW assembly.
Huh.
I left it all and wanted nothing to do with pyramid schemes ever again. But I've noticed something about numerous JWs. Without higher education or good jobs, a minority of them get involved in such schemes.
One sister in northern California was actually convicted for running a Ponzi scheme. That very sister had the nerve to tell me on Facebook how the world is getting worse, "like Sodom and Gomorrah."
When I've tried to tell these people that pyramid schemes are not economically feasible, and that multilevel marketing IS pyramid scheming, and that it WILL fail, they are so stuck on the community and the money that they won't listen. It's as fascinating as it is frustrating.
I also see that they too see the similarities between being a JW and being a distributor for such a company.
Somewhat rarely, the brothers will make a point in a talk at a convention that pyramid schemes should be avoided. It does happen. But not enough, and I don't have to wonder why.
Has anyone else observed this? Any similar experience?
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An old Kingdom hall now a church?
by HereIgo inhave any of you heard of anything like this.
i remember an ex jw from ohio taking video of a former kingdom hall that is now a church.
apparently the society sold it to the church.
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There is one near me as well, a church converted from a KH. What's more, some brothers who owned the property the current hall is sitting on apparently made a bunch of money when it was built. I don't know the deets, but others do and they're somehow okay with it.
Once, I was passing through Ohio when I stopped by a KH outside of Youngstown. Two elders incidentally stopped by as well, and in the conversation they explained that this hall was being sold to a church.
There is no end to how ridiculous this organization gets.
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Was it Adam who altered his own DNA so that sicknesses & consequent death would be passed on to his offspring?
by deegee inthe blame for mankind's sicknesses/diseases and consequent death has been placed squarely on the shoulders of adam:.
romans 5:12, 17 - 19:"therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—for if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man.......consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people........for just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners........".
1 corinthians 15: 21, 22:"for since death came through a man........... for as in adam all die.......".
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Interestingly, this discussion makes me think of a recent point I made with a faithful brother as we discussed science: "Have you heard of this thing called CRISPER? Scientists now can change an organism's DNA that it passes on, so they can make a change in all of its offspring. Isn't that neat? Just think, if we have that power, what could Jehovah do?"