So hey, not inspired or infallible, right? Cool. What do you think of Matthew 15:14?
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Does UP, UP, DOWN, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, B, A, START get us everlasting life in difficult times hard to deal with?
...one question about anything and get a straight answer, what would it be?
historical, philosophical, theological, eschatological, anything.
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So hey, not inspired or infallible, right? Cool. What do you think of Matthew 15:14?
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Does UP, UP, DOWN, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT, B, A, START get us everlasting life in difficult times hard to deal with?
my mom texted me to come back and said, "they will close religion!
" here is my response:.
no, they're not closing religion.
My mom texted me to come back and said, "they will close religion!" Here is my response:
No, they're not closing religion. The USA has a high proportion of creationists who don't want evolution taught in schools and the Republican party is dominant.
There is a case to be made that tax free religious corporations need to be taxed and that many of them are fleecing their flock, but that's not the same thing.
There are some atheist groups who would prefer that religion be closed, but they are a minority and face a steep hill, including amending the Constitution.
The rise of Islam might seem like an impetus for limiting religious freedom, but this hardly necessitates closing all religion.
So basically, it's not in the cards.
She didn't argue that point any further, but it got me thinking.
Can a government regulate the content of an organized religion to stop both hate and swindling, and in the USA in particular, does this conflict with the religious freedom provided in the First Amendment?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
i heard my hard out jw sister say that for the 1st time in many years and i'm hearing more and more jw's saying that.
years ago when i was in they talked about the new system coming any minute..
If this system goes on, they might actually be screwed out of retirement.
Oops.
1. three jw ladies, standing on the avenue along the beach here in sunny, warm fortaleza, cearĂ¡ (brazil)2. two jw guys sitting on a bench doing the same as the ladies in pic 13. let's see how productive they are being doing this urgent, life-saving work.
If you don't mind language (or a shaky bike helmet camera) check out TedTheAtheist on YouTube. The dude actually takes a few minutes at a time (and sometimes upwards of twenty minutes) to try and impress some critical thinking on such street preachers.
a topic discussed many times i'm sure.
my brother a current jw saw this once and went to the elders in the hall.
they too were a little surprised by really examining that scripture.
Berean Literal Bible
So the other disciples were saying to him, "We have seen the Lord." But he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the mark of the nails, and put my finger into the mark of the nails, and put my hands into His side, I will never believe."
New American Standard Bible
So the other disciples were saying to him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe."
King James Bible
The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Edit: Let's not forget Psalms because this is supposed to be prophetic, right? Right?
Psalm 22:16
For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet.
several months ago i approached a nice young couple who were standing by a jw literature stand in my local community.
they were pleasant and polite but incredibly stilted when it came to answering my "innocent" questions about their beliefs.
this was the occasion of jws featuring the article headlined "is religion dying?".
Oh, I don't know. There's a reason we had the Theocratic Ministry School in the first place, and why testimony cards were done away with. As intellectually inbred and disadvantaged as these guys are, at least they could find Deuteronomy if a judge asked them to in court.
However, the tracts are just testimony cards. If your testimony and ministry can be summed up in a QR code, it probably isn't as profound as the staunchest believers might think it is.
Nathan, you're right, we really shouldn't stoop to the Watchtower's level.
there are many of us on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists.. i think this is a great and wonderful thing to be celebrated!
i'd like people to list the reasons why they do not believe that jehovah exists.
this is open to all, not just atheists or agnostics, but anyone that believes that the god as put forward by jw.org does not and can not be real.. i'll start: .
@Urvince, cool. So Jehovah is partial after all.
I'm just morbidly curious. Are there any ex-JWs named Joe Hoover? Because that would be amazing.
there are many of us on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists.. i think this is a great and wonderful thing to be celebrated!
i'd like people to list the reasons why they do not believe that jehovah exists.
this is open to all, not just atheists or agnostics, but anyone that believes that the god as put forward by jw.org does not and can not be real.. i'll start: .
The god of the Bible is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. This is a logical fallacy, but Jehovah's Witnesses's explanation that he has "selective knowledge" is even more ridiculous. By that logic, Jehovah is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, and ignorant.
Also, where is he? He is said to be a personal god living only in Heaven, but he is described as omnipresent and "roaming about the earth". If he is omnipresent AND he works through people on earth, then logically God is a metaphor for something inside each of us. Yet Jehovah's Witnesses deny this and say that He Who Causes to Become is a personal god who lives in Heaven, an invisible spirit realm never to be identified. (Though the Pleiades was offered as one possibility before it was rejected, and I've recently heard hypotheses that he lives in an alternate universe outside of the Big Bang, which is equally refutable because that would limit his power in the scope of the universe containing him and he is supposed to be omnipotent.) But he is described as omnipresent and roaming about the earth to show his power... and so is Satan.