Posts by schnell

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Post war paranoia - or - The Truth Will Make You Nuts

by undercover in

check out this wacko bs from the 1943 'the truth shall make you free' book:.

page 342-343in the postwar "new order" jerusalem's modern counterpart, "christendom," will surround herself with armies of an international police force for her continued world domination.

the roman catholic hierarchy will attempt to act as the.

schnell

If one prediction fails, just keep spewing until something sticks.

Before the ten horns of the seven-headed beast turn upon her in retribution, organized religion will turn the horns against Jehovah's witnesses and will ride the beast in a final savage charge against them . ... (illustration)
Therefore "Christendom" will use her postwar "new order" and her encompassing armies (Jesuitic as well as military) for the suppression of the Kingdom message. She will claim it is treasonable and disturbing and unsafe to the postwar rule.

I think this is interesting, only because JWs currently predict they will survive and be persecuted AFTER Babylon the great is shut down. Here, it is BEFORE, which is interesting because JWs today are citing Russia as evidence BEFORE Babylon the great has been shut down.

Bunch of wingnut nonsense.

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Witnesses really hate it when you appear to leave.

by schnell in

i have a certain customer, whom we will call sally.

i know sally only by face and only through work.

i am a truck driver on a local dedicated route, and i often deliver to her work.

schnell

But when someone just walks away from the religion because they realized they had been lied to for instance, they really hate it

Indeed, I do not have "hurt feelings" or "selfish longing" other than the natural need for freedom and individuation (two things the WTBTS obviously opposes). And exactly, @tepidpoultry.

This all sounds familiar, doesn't it?

If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.
(John 15:19, NIV)

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Witnesses really hate it when you appear to leave.

by schnell in

i have a certain customer, whom we will call sally.

i know sally only by face and only through work.

i am a truck driver on a local dedicated route, and i often deliver to her work.

schnell

I have a certain customer, whom we will call Sally. I know Sally only by face and only through work. I am a truck driver on a local dedicated route, and I often deliver to her work. About 2 years ago, I was still hanging on, and I was out and about when I saw Sally at a JW cart. I greeted her and she recognized me and who I was. So that was nice and cordial, but then time passed, things happened, I faded, and I grew a beard.

Now whenever I go to Sally's work, she scowls at me. Like, no smile. I don't know, maybe it's because I always catch her at a bad time. It's possible. Or maybe she recognized that this guy who called himself a JW 2 years prior now has a big burly beard (thicker now than what is in my current avatar at the time of this writing). I'm still nice and cordial with all my customers, and I treat her and everybody else with the respect they deserve.

What gets me is that Witnesses really really hate it when they see someone leave. I understand, having been in, but this awkward frustration is so artificial and unnecessary. It's a free country, you're free to leave a religion, and their own website CLAIMS that people can leave at any time.

I mean, it's not a cult, now, is it?

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Think about what they could use their money for

by jambon1 in

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religions wealth has always made me squirm.

from the catholic church, with its golden city and priceless relics, to the mormons and their absurd temple and huge big fat bank account.

the jw's are the same.

schnell

The only time you'd see Tony Morris in a soup kitchen is when he's standing in line.

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This Is Why We Call It the Borg, And Why You Can Still Find Your Voice

by AllTimeJeff in

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one voice can be stronger than a thousand voices.

your mind is independent now.

with its own unique identity.

schnell

@tepidpoultry, it feels better to be honest. That neutrality business was driving me nuts.

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This Is Why We Call It the Borg, And Why You Can Still Find Your Voice

by AllTimeJeff in

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one voice can be stronger than a thousand voices.

your mind is independent now.

with its own unique identity.

schnell

I miss Geri Ryan.

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Trinity...cross...Does it matter?

by NikL in

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i've been thinking about this for a while.. did jesus diee on a cross?

does it really matter?

it doesn't change anything that i can see.. is god a trinity?

schnell

I agree to some extent. Even the new agers seem to agree that we are a trinity: body, soul & spirit. It seems to me that, "Why not God" could just as easily be asked in place of "Why God" when dealing with the trinity issue.

Yep. A special pioneer once espoused to me that Christendom "wants a schizophrenic god". Because how can one person also be three? Oh, hmm... Except that the WTBTS also explains that any anthropomorphic portrayal of God is simply a portrayal for our own understanding and that He is a spirit... So why not a Trinity then?

Seriously, at that point, you're in fairyland anyway. Newtonian physics and conventional logic do not apply. Ain't no rule book about how this works.

... I'm surprising myself here because I know St. Augustine made a similar argument on the Trinity, that we can't just compare physical things to spiritual things. While in the cult, I often decried St. Augustine's writing on the Trinity.

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Trinity...cross...Does it matter?

by NikL in

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i've been thinking about this for a while.. did jesus diee on a cross?

does it really matter?

it doesn't change anything that i can see.. is god a trinity?

schnell

When people enjoy such mythical beliefs, details like what cave, what shroud, what commands, what wooden post, yadda yadda all become very important. But for those that don't believe in Santa Claus, we don't need to know if Rudolf will be needed this year.

As a skeptical person who enjoys myth as myth, of course that is true. If I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't take initiative to pursue it.

Personally, what amuses me is the politics of religion. There are always reasons why a cult believes X and not Y, however duplicitous or hypocritical they may be in doing so.

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Trinity...cross...Does it matter?

by NikL in

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friends

i've been thinking about this for a while.. did jesus diee on a cross?

does it really matter?

it doesn't change anything that i can see.. is god a trinity?

schnell

The narrative is that he died on a cross, with a nail in each wrist.

Oh, the cross is a symbol that clearly had meaning long before the first century AD? Cool. That is part of the narrative too, then.

To me, the whole thing about no graven images or magic reeks of revisionist politics on the part of perhaps the Deuteronomical class more than anything. You can take out the high places all you want. The Tabernacle was still designed after Egyptian temples.

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Don't Feel Like I Have Much In Common With Anyone I Know

by JW_Rogue in

went out with my family and all they talked about was how terrible trump is and how he'll surely bring the great tribulation.

then they started going on about people supporting trump showing that america is becoming racist.

i don't consider myself a trump supporter but i disagreed that that was the reason why he won.

schnell

I'm a left-leaning centrist and registered Democrat and I agree with you.

They obviously would like to see that happen. And when you're outside looking in, that is kind of messed up.